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The layout in iTunes and the Mac App store app is something that you can implement with a native constraints based layout.

by joeblau 11y ago

ThomPete 11y ago
Yes but is it as easy to do? For all it's shortcomings very few things are as flexible and powerfull as being able to use web technologies to layout.
- joeblau 11y ago
  If you know what you're doing(which Apple should since they created the constraint system), then it's not that hard especially with the current constraint structure. There really isn't any technical reason why they shouldn't be able to reimplement iTunes natively and use backend API's to just serve content.
  - ThomPete 11y ago
    I don't think it's as easy as you think. Having played around with apples layout and general UI related stuff myself quite a lot I can tell you that it's a lot harder than webviews. We are talking perhaps 50X for the kind of stuff like the App store.
    - joeblau 11y ago
      > I don't think it's as easy as you think. I've been developing iOS and Mac apps for 8 years so my response is based on that experience.
      - ThomPete 11y ago
        Yeah. So don't know how much web you have done. But in my experience and many others i know who have done both. It really is much harder than web.
        joeblau 11y ago
        > So don't know how much web you have done. I've been developing websites since 1998.
        ThomPete 11y ago
        OK then I guess we just have to very different experiences of doing layout :)
- altonzheng 11y ago
  Apple totally has the resources to make a great native app experience, even if it's much more tedious. I don't see why they don't go the extra mile, especially since the app store generates so much revenue...
  - ThomPete 11y ago
    This is not a question of ability but what is gained from making it native vs. hybrid. You don't gain anything from using the native layout model that can't be done via web view. There is no doubt the App Store is horribly done, but for the kind of content that is going to be in the store I simply don't see why they would choose otherwise. Keep in mind that the apps also exist on the web. This would force apple to still make a web version and a native version. Don't see what is gained from this.

The layout in iTunes and the Mac App store app is something that you can implement with a native constraints based layout.

by joeblau 11y ago

The layout in iTunes and the Mac App store app is something that you can implement with a native constraints based layout.

ThomPete 11y ago

Yes but is it as easy to do? For all it's shortcomings very few things are as flexible and powerfull as being able to use web technologies to layout.

joeblau 11y ago
If you know what you're doing(which Apple should since they created the constraint system), then it's not that hard especially with the current constraint structure. There really isn't any technical reason why they shouldn't be able to reimplement iTunes natively and use backend API's to just serve content.
- ThomPete 11y ago
  I don't think it's as easy as you think. Having played around with apples layout and general UI related stuff myself quite a lot I can tell you that it's a lot harder than webviews. We are talking perhaps 50X for the kind of stuff like the App store.
  - joeblau 11y ago
    > I don't think it's as easy as you think. I've been developing iOS and Mac apps for 8 years so my response is based on that experience.
    - ThomPete 11y ago
      Yeah. So don't know how much web you have done. But in my experience and many others i know who have done both. It really is much harder than web.
      - joeblau 11y ago
        > So don't know how much web you have done. I've been developing websites since 1998.
        ThomPete 11y ago
        OK then I guess we just have to very different experiences of doing layout :)
altonzheng 11y ago
Apple totally has the resources to make a great native app experience, even if it's much more tedious. I don't see why they don't go the extra mile, especially since the app store generates so much revenue...
- ThomPete 11y ago
  This is not a question of ability but what is gained from making it native vs. hybrid. You don't gain anything from using the native layout model that can't be done via web view. There is no doubt the App Store is horribly done, but for the kind of content that is going to be in the store I simply don't see why they would choose otherwise. Keep in mind that the apps also exist on the web. This would force apple to still make a web version and a native version. Don't see what is gained from this.