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> Apple almost seems to be inherently incapable of creating a decent store front, and I am curious as to why they have that organizational blindspot. Because w

by ethbro 11y ago

> Apple almost seems to be inherently incapable of creating a decent store front, and I am curious as to why they have that organizational blindspot. Because when you have a captured userbase, there's no incentive to improve / innovate?

janfoeh 11y ago
Even if you believe that Apple as a whole doesn't have the drive to make stuff as good as they can (fair, although I believe otherwise), and even if you believe they have a captured audience (how?) — do you indeed believe that Apple is happy with 15% (US) market share for desktops and laptops? Even accepting everything else, that seems like a huge incentive to me not to get complacent.
- zdw 11y ago
  > do you indeed believe that Apple is happy with 15% (US) market share for desktops and laptops? Seeing as in 2009 they had >90% of the market of PC's above $1000 (see here: http://betanews.com/2009/07/22/apple-has-91-of-market-for-1-000-pcs-says-npd/ http://betanews.com/2009/07/22/apple-has-91-of-market-for-1-... ) which is the profitable part of the market, probably they are.
- ethbro 11y ago
  Not sure where you're getting 15% from: the vast majority of articles I read have Apple's app stores generating far more revenue than the competition's. So yes, I believe Apple is probably perfectly happy (in an upper-echelon corporate strategy sense) sitting on their cash cow as opposed to fighting it out for less profitable market share.
  - janfoeh 11y ago
    The number is from Gartner for Q3 this year - for whatever they are worth :) http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3146617 http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3146617
- s73v3r 11y ago
  "do you indeed believe that Apple is happy with 15% (US) market share for desktops and laptops?" If that other 85% is cheap laptops with no margin in them, yes.
muddi900 11y ago
Apple has had the largest market share in mobile revenue, yet iOS keeps improving.
- nickonline 11y ago
  Most of the most visible features and improvements I've seen in iOS over the years were developed by the jailbreaking community and eventually apple incorporated into iOS.
  - rarepostinlurkr 11y ago
    Care to actually list that? I find that incredibly hard to believe. While there may be a list of 5-10 features that meet the criteria, seems like most OS releases have hundreds of improvements here & there. All of Apple is just sitting around waiting for jail breakers to innovate for them, no one has any ideas about what to do with their time. Don't even get me started on hardware! Incorporating all that stuff Samsung & Dell or whoever is doing.
    - muddi900 11y ago
      Well Control Center came from SBSettings, for one. On a 3GS running iOS4, you could quick reply to texts, play background music, have a visual multitasking interface, etc. This was years before iOS 7. Though most of the concepts seem to be taken from Android, which took most of the ideas from defunct WebOS. Well, mostly Apple and Google hired former Palm guys for their design teams.

by ethbro 11y ago

janfoeh 11y ago

Even if you believe that Apple as a whole doesn't have the drive to make stuff as good as they can (fair, although I believe otherwise), and even if you believe they have a captured audience (how?) — do you indeed believe that Apple is happy with 15% (US) market share for desktops and laptops? Even accepting everything else, that seems like a huge incentive to me not to get complacent.

zdw 11y ago
> do you indeed believe that Apple is happy with 15% (US) market share for desktops and laptops? Seeing as in 2009 they had >90% of the market of PC's above $1000 (see here: http://betanews.com/2009/07/22/apple-has-91-of-market-for-1-000-pcs-says-npd/ http://betanews.com/2009/07/22/apple-has-91-of-market-for-1-... ) which is the profitable part of the market, probably they are.
ethbro 11y ago
Not sure where you're getting 15% from: the vast majority of articles I read have Apple's app stores generating far more revenue than the competition's. So yes, I believe Apple is probably perfectly happy (in an upper-echelon corporate strategy sense) sitting on their cash cow as opposed to fighting it out for less profitable market share.
- janfoeh 11y ago
  The number is from Gartner for Q3 this year - for whatever they are worth :) http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3146617 http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3146617
s73v3r 11y ago
"do you indeed believe that Apple is happy with 15% (US) market share for desktops and laptops?" If that other 85% is cheap laptops with no margin in them, yes.

muddi900 11y ago

Apple has had the largest market share in mobile revenue, yet iOS keeps improving.

nickonline 11y ago
Most of the most visible features and improvements I've seen in iOS over the years were developed by the jailbreaking community and eventually apple incorporated into iOS.
- rarepostinlurkr 11y ago
  Care to actually list that? I find that incredibly hard to believe. While there may be a list of 5-10 features that meet the criteria, seems like most OS releases have hundreds of improvements here & there. All of Apple is just sitting around waiting for jail breakers to innovate for them, no one has any ideas about what to do with their time. Don't even get me started on hardware! Incorporating all that stuff Samsung & Dell or whoever is doing.
  - muddi900 11y ago
    Well Control Center came from SBSettings, for one. On a 3GS running iOS4, you could quick reply to texts, play background music, have a visual multitasking interface, etc. This was years before iOS 7. Though most of the concepts seem to be taken from Android, which took most of the ideas from defunct WebOS. Well, mostly Apple and Google hired former Palm guys for their design teams.