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I use and generally like Steam, but I'd never call its discovery "good". Users are drowning in the number of titles, the recommendation engine is pretty poor, a

by mrec 11y ago

I use and generally like Steam, but I'd never call its discovery "good". Users are drowning in the number of titles, the recommendation engine is pretty poor, and there's no support for filtering. I'll never buy an RTS or a multiplayer-only game, stop showing them to me. I'll never buy an early-access game or a game with 3rd-party DRM, stop showing them to me. I could cull 90% of the stuff in my discovery queues, automatically, with 30 seconds of box-checking. I'm also surprised that the desktop client has never implemented an "is this machine actually capable of running this game?" check. Non-trivial to implement, sure, but really useful.

the_af 11y ago
Same here. I like and use Steam, but its UI for casually browsing games (aka "casual shopping") isn't very good. For example, when you are browsing a list of games, if you click on one to see additional details and then try going back, you lose your place in the list. This is infuriating for long lists. It kills the browse & shop experience. The web interface for Steam is better than the app's. Then again, this is what web browsers are there for...
- mrec 11y ago
  Yes! Forgot to mention that, but it drives me nuts too.
- Orva 11y ago
  Funny enough, when looking at Steam processes tree (and if I recall correctly, also licenses), client is done with Chromium Embedded Framework.
  - toyg 11y ago
    Which is probably why it still looks like shit on Retina screens. Oh, how I love HTML apps...
    - greggman 11y ago
      What does that have to do with HTML5 apps? In the browser, when HD-DPI support was added every page started using HD-DPI font rendering, HD-DPI CSS, HD-DPI SVG, only image were still lo-res Conversely I still have native apps that are low-res only because updating them to HD-DPI meant shipping a new app.
      - toyg 11y ago
        > when HD-DPI support was added Indeed. Except that, to get it, you-developer actually had to ship an updated browser with your "app" -- basically the same as any native app, except that instead of being "just turn on this setting in a plist and recompile", it means refreshing your little in-house fork of a massive browser project that barely anyone understands. Clearly Valve cannot be arsed to do that, so Steam keeps looking like shit more than 3 years after these screens appeared. The universal toolkit is not so universal if every app ships its own custom version.
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- simcop2387 11y ago
  Yea that's the exact reason that I end up using the web interface for browsing games. The fact I can browse and open up 30 tabs of games and then look at them one by one without losing my place anywhere is so much nicer.
- robwilliams 11y ago
  Middle clicking works in the Steam desktop app, at least on Windows. It opens the clicked link in a new window in the foreground.
ingenieros 11y ago
Are you currently following any curators? This usually helps me find games that I wouldn't have found out about otherwise.
- chc 11y ago
  Some people, when they have a problem finding good games, think "I know, I'll find a curator." Now they have two problems.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    Besides the chance of a word-play on the famous quote, is there any substance behind this at all? What would be the problem with finding a curator? It's not unlike how music industry has always worked -- from the era of finding a radio producer you like to the era of following a playlist on Spotify on some genre you like.
    - chc 11y ago
      I have the same trouble finding good curators as I do finding good games. I don't know what curators are good just like I don't know what games are good. I'll look at someone and I'll think, "Is this person really any better than filtering by genre and then randomly buying games?" And I don't feel confident the answer is yes a lot of the time. I feel like I need a meta-curator. I agree that this is not a particularly novel problem, though.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        >I have the same trouble finding good curators as I do finding good games. I don't know what curators are good just like I don't know what games are good. You should have even more trouble finding good curators than finding good games. But the idea is that you need to find a curator ONCE, and then they suggest lots of games for years. A curator not being 100% perfect it's OK too -- after all even one's self buying games they read about or even try their demos, will pick some dudes. It's unreasonable to expect a curator (or a recommendation) service to not do that too.
logfromblammo 11y ago
This immediately calls to mind Grim Fandango Remastered which "requires" OpenGL 3.3 . It doesn't, really. It has the ability to run the game at its original (1998) level of quality. But the developers chose not to enable this as a fallback. You have to rely on some guy on the Internet that figured out how to hack it so that it would work. It'd be great if I could, for instance, filter out everything that won't run with the Intel HD3000 graphics unit on my cheapo laptop.
djsumdog 11y ago
Not to mention it crashes all the damn time. Your store shouldn't crash when you full-screen a trailer! I always buy games on Hubble if they're available on both. Sure my save games don't get backed up, but they are drm free. I'll even pay more if the humble price is higher for drm free.
janfoeh 11y ago
This is my pet peeve with Steam, too, especially because it seems to be so easy to fix. If only I had the ability to communicate my dislikes to Steam by blacklisting certain tags, the recommendation system would instantly become an order of magnitude more helpful. Most tags actually seem to be spot-on and quite helpful, so the data is already there. > I'm also surprised that the desktop client has never implemented an "is this machine actually capable of running this game?" check. Non-trivial to implement, sure, but really useful. I've wondered that as well. A bit of data munching together with user feedback, in a similar manner to online fashion stores ("I found these size 11 boots a bit on the small side") would be quite helpful.
vacri 11y ago
> I could cull 90% of the stuff in my discovery queues The whole point of the discovery queue is to expose you to a variety of options. If you want to search just those things you want, there are already filters you can manually use. These filters don't have all the options (please, no 'early access', I agree), but they give you the filtered lists that it sounds like you want.
toyg 11y ago
>"is this machine actually capable of running this game?" check. Non-trivial to implement, sure, Quite trivial, actually. They already do the necessary data-gathering at your end (i.e. their periodic automated survey), the only "hard" bit is data-gathering at the other end (when a game is listed). It's so trivial to implement, in fact, that one has to wonder whether there are commercial considerations overriding the technical aspect. Maybe they don't want to piss off hardware and game vendors, maybe Valve would rather have you buy their console to bypass these considerations altogether... who knows.
simoncion 11y ago
> I'm also surprised that the desktop client has never implemented an "is this machine actually capable of running this game?" check. The problem with that is that dev's stated minimum system requirements are -frequently enough to cause trouble with such a check- either substantially too high, or quite a bit too low. After all, not every studio has enough cash to discover what is actually the lowest-powered machine that one can play the game on.
overgard 11y ago
A machine requirements check would be useful, but I can't think of many companies that would implement something that results in less sales. What's the upside? Maybe some good will? I'm not saying valve wants people to buy games they can't run or anything like that, but it would be an expensive ongoing effort to make less money.
- greggman 11y ago
  How would that generate less sales? Isn't the whole point that since the recommendations are irrelevant they're getting less sales not more?

by mrec 11y ago

the_af 11y ago

Same here. I like and use Steam, but its UI for casually browsing games (aka "casual shopping") isn't very good. For example, when you are browsing a list of games, if you click on one to see additional details and then try going back, you lose your place in the list. This is infuriating for long lists. It kills the browse & shop experience. The web interface for Steam is better than the app's. Then again, this is what web browsers are there for...

mrec 11y ago
Yes! Forgot to mention that, but it drives me nuts too.
Orva 11y ago
Funny enough, when looking at Steam processes tree (and if I recall correctly, also licenses), client is done with Chromium Embedded Framework.
- toyg 11y ago
  Which is probably why it still looks like shit on Retina screens. Oh, how I love HTML apps...
  - greggman 11y ago
    What does that have to do with HTML5 apps? In the browser, when HD-DPI support was added every page started using HD-DPI font rendering, HD-DPI CSS, HD-DPI SVG, only image were still lo-res Conversely I still have native apps that are low-res only because updating them to HD-DPI meant shipping a new app.
    - toyg 11y ago
      > when HD-DPI support was added Indeed. Except that, to get it, you-developer actually had to ship an updated browser with your "app" -- basically the same as any native app, except that instead of being "just turn on this setting in a plist and recompile", it means refreshing your little in-house fork of a massive browser project that barely anyone understands. Clearly Valve cannot be arsed to do that, so Steam keeps looking like shit more than 3 years after these screens appeared. The universal toolkit is not so universal if every app ships its own custom version.
    - deleted 11y ago
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simcop2387 11y ago
Yea that's the exact reason that I end up using the web interface for browsing games. The fact I can browse and open up 30 tabs of games and then look at them one by one without losing my place anywhere is so much nicer.
robwilliams 11y ago
Middle clicking works in the Steam desktop app, at least on Windows. It opens the clicked link in a new window in the foreground.

ingenieros 11y ago

Are you currently following any curators? This usually helps me find games that I wouldn't have found out about otherwise.

chc 11y ago
Some people, when they have a problem finding good games, think "I know, I'll find a curator." Now they have two problems.
- coldtea 11y ago
  Besides the chance of a word-play on the famous quote, is there any substance behind this at all? What would be the problem with finding a curator? It's not unlike how music industry has always worked -- from the era of finding a radio producer you like to the era of following a playlist on Spotify on some genre you like.
  - chc 11y ago
    I have the same trouble finding good curators as I do finding good games. I don't know what curators are good just like I don't know what games are good. I'll look at someone and I'll think, "Is this person really any better than filtering by genre and then randomly buying games?" And I don't feel confident the answer is yes a lot of the time. I feel like I need a meta-curator. I agree that this is not a particularly novel problem, though.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      >I have the same trouble finding good curators as I do finding good games. I don't know what curators are good just like I don't know what games are good. You should have even more trouble finding good curators than finding good games. But the idea is that you need to find a curator ONCE, and then they suggest lots of games for years. A curator not being 100% perfect it's OK too -- after all even one's self buying games they read about or even try their demos, will pick some dudes. It's unreasonable to expect a curator (or a recommendation) service to not do that too.

logfromblammo 11y ago

This immediately calls to mind Grim Fandango Remastered which "requires" OpenGL 3.3 . It doesn't, really. It has the ability to run the game at its original (1998) level of quality. But the developers chose not to enable this as a fallback. You have to rely on some guy on the Internet that figured out how to hack it so that it would work. It'd be great if I could, for instance, filter out everything that won't run with the Intel HD3000 graphics unit on my cheapo laptop.

djsumdog 11y ago

Not to mention it crashes all the damn time. Your store shouldn't crash when you full-screen a trailer! I always buy games on Hubble if they're available on both. Sure my save games don't get backed up, but they are drm free. I'll even pay more if the humble price is higher for drm free.

janfoeh 11y ago

This is my pet peeve with Steam, too, especially because it seems to be so easy to fix. If only I had the ability to communicate my dislikes to Steam by blacklisting certain tags, the recommendation system would instantly become an order of magnitude more helpful. Most tags actually seem to be spot-on and quite helpful, so the data is already there. > I'm also surprised that the desktop client has never implemented an "is this machine actually capable of running this game?" check. Non-trivial to implement, sure, but really useful. I've wondered that as well. A bit of data munching together with user feedback, in a similar manner to online fashion stores ("I found these size 11 boots a bit on the small side") would be quite helpful.

vacri 11y ago

> I could cull 90% of the stuff in my discovery queues The whole point of the discovery queue is to expose you to a variety of options. If you want to search just those things you want, there are already filters you can manually use. These filters don't have all the options (please, no 'early access', I agree), but they give you the filtered lists that it sounds like you want.

toyg 11y ago

>"is this machine actually capable of running this game?" check. Non-trivial to implement, sure, Quite trivial, actually. They already do the necessary data-gathering at your end (i.e. their periodic automated survey), the only "hard" bit is data-gathering at the other end (when a game is listed). It's so trivial to implement, in fact, that one has to wonder whether there are commercial considerations overriding the technical aspect. Maybe they don't want to piss off hardware and game vendors, maybe Valve would rather have you buy their console to bypass these considerations altogether... who knows.

simoncion 11y ago

> I'm also surprised that the desktop client has never implemented an "is this machine actually capable of running this game?" check. The problem with that is that dev's stated minimum system requirements are -frequently enough to cause trouble with such a check- either substantially too high, or quite a bit too low. After all, not every studio has enough cash to discover what is actually the lowest-powered machine that one can play the game on.

overgard 11y ago

A machine requirements check would be useful, but I can't think of many companies that would implement something that results in less sales. What's the upside? Maybe some good will? I'm not saying valve wants people to buy games they can't run or anything like that, but it would be an expensive ongoing effort to make less money.

greggman 11y ago
How would that generate less sales? Isn't the whole point that since the recommendations are irrelevant they're getting less sales not more?