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Gee, think you have enough scare quotes around? There absolutely are victims on college campuses--victims of sexual assault, of racist acts of violence, of act

Gee, think you have enough scare quotes around? There absolutely are victims on college campuses--victims of sexual assault, of racist acts of violence, of acts of intimidation based on their sexual orientation. I knew people who suffered these things. It's crap to act as if this is all made up. The purpose of safe spaces isn't to impose thought control, it's to allow people who have suffered a chance to recover. You can choose to enter one, or you can choose to stay out of one. It's purely a matter of free association. (Perhaps you're thinking of "speech codes"? I agree in opposing those, but it's a separate issue.) A safe space is nothing more than a "free and voluntary association of like-minded people."

belovedeagle 11y ago
The recent outcry against "safe spaces" has been against those established in public spaces and enforced with calls for violence. That's far from a case of free association.
- maldusiecle 11y ago
  For this I'd like citations. I'd point out, though, that even if a handful of people have been using the idea of "safe spaces" wrongly, that doesn't delegitimize the concept itself. If a few students are doing wrong in the name of "safe spaces," the answer is to argue against those particular students, not against other, unrelated safe spaces.
  - ForHackernews 11y ago
    > For this I'd like citations. I linked this above, but since you asked: https://popehat.com/2015/11/09/safe-spaces-as-shield-safe-spaces-as-sword/ https://popehat.com/2015/11/09/safe-spaces-as-shield-safe-sp... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/how-campus-activists-are-weaponizing-the-safe-space/415080/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/how-camp...
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Agustus 11y ago
What of those who are not in college, do we provide them who have experienced these acts a safe space? Are college students, the supposed vanguard of curious minds, closing their minds and reducing their ability to deal with the world they live in?
- maldusiecle 11y ago
  People outside of college can and absolutely should have access to safe spaces, yes. Why wouldn't/shouldn't they? As for your second question, it's so obviously disconnected from what has been said so far that it's hardly worth even answering. A victim of homophobic intimidation who wants a space free of homophobic intimidation is not "reducing their ability to deal with the world they live in." You're stringing right-wing jargon terms together in ways that obviously don't make sense. A person doesn't have any less of a "curious mind" simply because they want to spend time in a place free of intimidation, violence, or hostility.
  - Agustus 11y ago
    What are these safe spaces? Houses, then what is a dorm, police stations, then what is campus police offices, or a car, which is available to most students on campus. What is intimidation in your example? You are projecting a generalized concept that does not have a defined impact on a person. Is it intimidation if someone posts a comment on a website that they are for male/female marriage only, a person yells out a slur on the street, a person walks up to another and says: "We do not like your kind here?" The last item on this list should be the one that a state agency involves itself in as it is the only where physical harm can occur. The others are simply words. As an aside, in future discussions, try not to resort to simplistic arguments like "right-wing jargon terms" to dismiss an alternative view point. I was worried for a moment you may have a point until I read that.

belovedeagle 11y ago

The recent outcry against "safe spaces" has been against those established in public spaces and enforced with calls for violence. That's far from a case of free association.

maldusiecle 11y ago
For this I'd like citations. I'd point out, though, that even if a handful of people have been using the idea of "safe spaces" wrongly, that doesn't delegitimize the concept itself. If a few students are doing wrong in the name of "safe spaces," the answer is to argue against those particular students, not against other, unrelated safe spaces.
- ForHackernews 11y ago
  > For this I'd like citations. I linked this above, but since you asked: https://popehat.com/2015/11/09/safe-spaces-as-shield-safe-spaces-as-sword/ https://popehat.com/2015/11/09/safe-spaces-as-shield-safe-sp... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/how-campus-activists-are-weaponizing-the-safe-space/415080/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/how-camp...

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Agustus 11y ago

What of those who are not in college, do we provide them who have experienced these acts a safe space? Are college students, the supposed vanguard of curious minds, closing their minds and reducing their ability to deal with the world they live in?

maldusiecle 11y ago
People outside of college can and absolutely should have access to safe spaces, yes. Why wouldn't/shouldn't they? As for your second question, it's so obviously disconnected from what has been said so far that it's hardly worth even answering. A victim of homophobic intimidation who wants a space free of homophobic intimidation is not "reducing their ability to deal with the world they live in." You're stringing right-wing jargon terms together in ways that obviously don't make sense. A person doesn't have any less of a "curious mind" simply because they want to spend time in a place free of intimidation, violence, or hostility.
- Agustus 11y ago
  What are these safe spaces? Houses, then what is a dorm, police stations, then what is campus police offices, or a car, which is available to most students on campus. What is intimidation in your example? You are projecting a generalized concept that does not have a defined impact on a person. Is it intimidation if someone posts a comment on a website that they are for male/female marriage only, a person yells out a slur on the street, a person walks up to another and says: "We do not like your kind here?" The last item on this list should be the one that a state agency involves itself in as it is the only where physical harm can occur. The others are simply words. As an aside, in future discussions, try not to resort to simplistic arguments like "right-wing jargon terms" to dismiss an alternative view point. I was worried for a moment you may have a point until I read that.