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According to the Telegram FAQ [1] the Telegram Facebook page [2] has been taken down as well. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#facebook https://telegram.org/faq#fa

According to the Telegram FAQ [1] the Telegram Facebook page [2] has been taken down as well. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#facebook https://telegram.org/faq#facebook [2] https://www.facebook.com/tlgrm https://www.facebook.com/tlgrm

Tinyyy 11y ago
Oh wow, that’s ridiculous! Facebook attacking Telegram to such an extent leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
- issaria 11y ago
  Switch to Telegram today, just to piss off Facebook. Doesn't matter how much many they donate to charity.
izacus 11y ago
This is IMO one of the greatest dangers of leaving those huge corporations like Facebook, Google, Amazon etc. unchecked - they're starting to attack competition by leveraging their primary products (Amazon blocking Chromecasts, Facebook censoring links and pages about their lawsuits are two latest cases) and are working deliberately against interests of greater public (and capitalism itself if we can stretch that :) ) I think it's slowly high time the anti-monopolistic regulation looks into their business practices and starts considering cutting them up into discrete companies per market.
- rms_returns 11y ago
  It is not the anti-monopolistic authorities (who are part of the system, anyway), but WE_THE_PEOPLE who need to do something, so that competition is assured. WE need to keep switching services and not let one service rule everything. Be it messengers, social networking apps, eCommerce stores, ERP software, anything - If we choose one organization to rule them all, it won't be very long before they start showing the traits of that one Saruman's ring that rules them all.
  - legohead 11y ago
    Yeah, that's not going to happen. The majority of "We the people" is made up of those who take the path of least resistance. Facebook, by doing things like this, will only hurt themselves. We've been down this road before with Microsoft. It is anti-trust, and will get them in a lot of trouble.
  - kartan 11y ago
    It is anti-monopolistic authorities only purpose to do just that. And it is an important role to keep the economy running healthy. But I agree to an extend as I think that we also need to choose more actively to get better products. Each kind of action happens at a different level and they aren't mutually exclusive.
  - Nitramp 11y ago
    That doesn't work. We the people have invented these authorities a long time ago precisely because we the people suck at making individual decisions to improve global outcomes, and we need to organize ourselves in institutions such as these to fix things.
- Camillo 11y ago
  You list three companies but only give examples for two.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
  - 010a 11y ago
    Google devaluing the position of competitors like Yelp and TripAdvisor in search results for specific businesses. http://www.eater.com/2015/11/25/9800584/google-burying-yelp-search-results-feud http://www.eater.com/2015/11/25/9800584/google-burying-yelp-... http://au.idigitaltimes.com/google-pushes-yelp-and-amazon-down-search-results-venture-home-services-106655 http://au.idigitaltimes.com/google-pushes-yelp-and-amazon-do... http://www.fairsearch.org/yelp-ceo-stoppelman-criticizes-google-for-being-evil/ http://www.fairsearch.org/yelp-ceo-stoppelman-criticizes-goo...
- necessity 11y ago
  What's the problem with not helping your competitor? Telegram can use that ("censoring") as marketing if they know how to play it. People wanting to tell others what to do and how to operate their business calling themselves "capitalists" is hilarious.
  - xg15 11y ago
    If nothing else, it's that the users get pulled into some braindead power struggle between two companies that they could care less about. Yet they are the ones who find that they cannot use the products anymore properly. Moves like this decrease the quality of both your product and your competitor's. Yet the whole sense of competition in capitalism is supposedly to increase quality. Of course that's just the obvious consequences, ignoring the larger implications of allowing companies to place arbitrary restrictions on their services - when at the same time those services become more and more critical infrastructure.
    - Justsignedup 11y ago
      Generally in a competitive market, you have one company selling product / service X and a competitor selling service Y which does something similar. This is fine. However online communication is different. Imagine if the telephone company would bleep out any time your friend mentions a competitor's company. You'd never know a competitor exists. Especially if that competitor is up-and-coming and doesn't have the pockets to send flyers to every damn house in the state.
plusquamperfekt 11y ago
We need a competitor to FB ... sadly options like Diaspora are very problematic b/c you need to either run a server or trust a private person with it.
- rms_returns 11y ago
  We have many like Google plus, twitter, linkedin, reddit and even hacker news (catering to a specific niche). Problem here is that too many people whom we may call "less tech savvy" won't leave FB. So, in order to stay "compatible" with them, we need to keep our FB accounts active!
  - plusquamperfekt 11y ago
    - Google plus: that would be kind of pointless, wouldn't it? - LinkedIn: The worst of the worst ... :D - HN / Reddit / Twitter: How do you share pictures privately with friends? (to name one necessary feature)
    - schwap 11y ago
      You could have a private subreddit I guess? Still super clumsy compared to FB. Further, HN/Reddit/Twitter etc. each only have a subset of my friends. ALL of my friends are on FB.
    - rodgerd 11y ago
      > How do you share pictures privately with friends? Flickr. Some of the holes in the group management are a weakness there (no albums in Groups, for example).
  - LunaSea 11y ago
    Reddit and Hacker News are rather content aggregators rather than social networks. Google+ and Twitter have the same issues than Facebook on these specific issues. LinkedIn is a bit too specialised for professional messages and they too like Google+ and Twitter don't have a great track record concerning privacy and abusing their position.
myth_buster 11y ago
Interesting that this [0] page exists which has 84113 likes · 1198 talking about this [0] https://www.facebook.com/Telegram-Messenger-438429349592627/ https://www.facebook.com/Telegram-Messenger-438429349592627/

Tinyyy 11y ago

Oh wow, that’s ridiculous! Facebook attacking Telegram to such an extent leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

issaria 11y ago
Switch to Telegram today, just to piss off Facebook. Doesn't matter how much many they donate to charity.

izacus 11y ago

This is IMO one of the greatest dangers of leaving those huge corporations like Facebook, Google, Amazon etc. unchecked - they're starting to attack competition by leveraging their primary products (Amazon blocking Chromecasts, Facebook censoring links and pages about their lawsuits are two latest cases) and are working deliberately against interests of greater public (and capitalism itself if we can stretch that :) ) I think it's slowly high time the anti-monopolistic regulation looks into their business practices and starts considering cutting them up into discrete companies per market.

rms_returns 11y ago
It is not the anti-monopolistic authorities (who are part of the system, anyway), but WE_THE_PEOPLE who need to do something, so that competition is assured. WE need to keep switching services and not let one service rule everything. Be it messengers, social networking apps, eCommerce stores, ERP software, anything - If we choose one organization to rule them all, it won't be very long before they start showing the traits of that one Saruman's ring that rules them all.
- legohead 11y ago
  Yeah, that's not going to happen. The majority of "We the people" is made up of those who take the path of least resistance. Facebook, by doing things like this, will only hurt themselves. We've been down this road before with Microsoft. It is anti-trust, and will get them in a lot of trouble.
- kartan 11y ago
  It is anti-monopolistic authorities only purpose to do just that. And it is an important role to keep the economy running healthy. But I agree to an extend as I think that we also need to choose more actively to get better products. Each kind of action happens at a different level and they aren't mutually exclusive.
- Nitramp 11y ago
  That doesn't work. We the people have invented these authorities a long time ago precisely because we the people suck at making individual decisions to improve global outcomes, and we need to organize ourselves in institutions such as these to fix things.
Camillo 11y ago
You list three companies but only give examples for two.
- deleted 11y ago
  [deleted]
- 010a 11y ago
  Google devaluing the position of competitors like Yelp and TripAdvisor in search results for specific businesses. http://www.eater.com/2015/11/25/9800584/google-burying-yelp-search-results-feud http://www.eater.com/2015/11/25/9800584/google-burying-yelp-... http://au.idigitaltimes.com/google-pushes-yelp-and-amazon-down-search-results-venture-home-services-106655 http://au.idigitaltimes.com/google-pushes-yelp-and-amazon-do... http://www.fairsearch.org/yelp-ceo-stoppelman-criticizes-google-for-being-evil/ http://www.fairsearch.org/yelp-ceo-stoppelman-criticizes-goo...
necessity 11y ago
What's the problem with not helping your competitor? Telegram can use that ("censoring") as marketing if they know how to play it. People wanting to tell others what to do and how to operate their business calling themselves "capitalists" is hilarious.
- xg15 11y ago
  If nothing else, it's that the users get pulled into some braindead power struggle between two companies that they could care less about. Yet they are the ones who find that they cannot use the products anymore properly. Moves like this decrease the quality of both your product and your competitor's. Yet the whole sense of competition in capitalism is supposedly to increase quality. Of course that's just the obvious consequences, ignoring the larger implications of allowing companies to place arbitrary restrictions on their services - when at the same time those services become more and more critical infrastructure.
  - Justsignedup 11y ago
    Generally in a competitive market, you have one company selling product / service X and a competitor selling service Y which does something similar. This is fine. However online communication is different. Imagine if the telephone company would bleep out any time your friend mentions a competitor's company. You'd never know a competitor exists. Especially if that competitor is up-and-coming and doesn't have the pockets to send flyers to every damn house in the state.

plusquamperfekt 11y ago

We need a competitor to FB ... sadly options like Diaspora are very problematic b/c you need to either run a server or trust a private person with it.

rms_returns 11y ago
We have many like Google plus, twitter, linkedin, reddit and even hacker news (catering to a specific niche). Problem here is that too many people whom we may call "less tech savvy" won't leave FB. So, in order to stay "compatible" with them, we need to keep our FB accounts active!
- plusquamperfekt 11y ago
  - Google plus: that would be kind of pointless, wouldn't it? - LinkedIn: The worst of the worst ... :D - HN / Reddit / Twitter: How do you share pictures privately with friends? (to name one necessary feature)
  - schwap 11y ago
    You could have a private subreddit I guess? Still super clumsy compared to FB. Further, HN/Reddit/Twitter etc. each only have a subset of my friends. ALL of my friends are on FB.
  - rodgerd 11y ago
    > How do you share pictures privately with friends? Flickr. Some of the holes in the group management are a weakness there (no albums in Groups, for example).
- LunaSea 11y ago
  Reddit and Hacker News are rather content aggregators rather than social networks. Google+ and Twitter have the same issues than Facebook on these specific issues. LinkedIn is a bit too specialised for professional messages and they too like Google+ and Twitter don't have a great track record concerning privacy and abusing their position.

myth_buster 11y ago

Interesting that this [0] page exists which has 84113 likes · 1198 talking about this [0] https://www.facebook.com/Telegram-Messenger-438429349592627/ https://www.facebook.com/Telegram-Messenger-438429349592627/