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I'm asian. I don't feel threatened by black crime when it's also shown that police target black people for arrest more than whites and that the system is often

I'm asian. I don't feel threatened by black crime when it's also shown that police target black people for arrest more than whites and that the system is often stacked against black people. I'm more uncomfortable that white males are shooting up schools in my country several times a year because there's nothing being done pointing this demographic out. Your experience doesn't reflect the experience of all others.

yummyfajitas 11y ago
What gives you the right to invalidate my father's feelings? You don't understand his lived experience (he was present at a major Islamic terrorist attack) at all! I believe that's the standard social justice retort to your claims. Being a more logically minded person, I'll instead invert it; your retort to my comment is that one person in the aforementioned demographic (e.g. a white/asian male) doesn't agree with me. If I could find one person in your aforementioned demographic (e.g. a black female) who didn't agree with you, would that be a valid retort against your comment?
- SolaceQuantum 11y ago
  I don't understand why you are dismissing claims as social justice and then trying to claim you are a more logically minded person. How is the claim that not all asian people agree with your father or had traumatic experiences with terrorism also invalidating experiences your father had? You claim to be a logical minded person but I'm not following the logic that your father's experiences are invalidated when someone says they don't share that view.
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    Perhaps I misunderstood your post - I thought you were disagreeing and attempting to contribute to the conversation. Perhaps you were just randomly sharing your feelings for no reason?
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    - SolaceQuantum 11y ago
      I'm saying in a time where you are taking the experiences of your father and attributing it to all white/asian middle class people, that isn't necessarily great.
      - yummyfajitas 11y ago
        ...attributing it to all white/asian middle class people... I never did this.
    - dang 11y ago
      Not cool. That crosses the line into incivility. I know you like to stay as close to the line as you can get without crossing it—which is far better than crossing it—but I wish you wouldn't. Your posts would be much better if you would show readers the respect of simply taking that edge out. They're literally edgy, and this acts as a low-grade provocation even when you're not technically saying anything abusive. This is not the way to bring the best out of your interlocutors and fellow users, and it's still a toxin in HN's environment, even if it's below the legal level. Instead, you should optimize for overall thread quality, which I'm sure you could do if you wanted to. There's some variant of the principle of charity in here somewhere.
      - Tycho 11y ago
        To be honest I find it highly entertaining (and interesting).
        dang 11y ago
        Many entertaining and interesting experiments could be run on HN if one didn't care about damaging it.
        11y ago
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PedroBatista 11y ago
That's why there is something called Statistics and they show that you are objectively wrong. Now, about your feelings and uncomfortableness it's up to you.
- ceejayoz 11y ago
  > there is something called Statistics And there's a reason there's a famous book titled "how to lie with statistics".
- SolaceQuantum 11y ago
  Statistically speaking, police stop and look for crime disproportionately to minorities. no? http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/nypd-targets-minorities-stop-frisk-report-article-1.1075037 http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/nypd-targets-minorities-...
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    That's completely irrelevant. The data cited comes from the NCVS. It's based on a phone poll. "Have you been the victim of any crimes in the past year?" "Who committed the crime?" The purpose of the NCVS is to track crimes and their characteristics without relying on (often biased, and frequently manipulated) police reports.
xiaoma 11y ago
Living in Asia, I've seen a lot more news about "white males shooting up schools" than I have about other violent crime in the US, except perhaps police brutality. It's on major news pages / channels. Admittedly, most of what I find is through social media (US and Chinese). Where do you get most your news?
- talmand 11y ago
  Could be that one is more common than the other, therefore not as newsworthy. It's a sad state of affairs, but it seems most news is about sensationalism for purposes of generating revenue.
- cthalupa 11y ago
  The news, even in America, vastly under reports minority murders, especially in high crime urban areas. 400+ people are murdered every year in Chicago, with black men being the victims at more than 10x the rate of white people in general, and more than double the rate of all other racial groups combined. Most of this is gang related, and goes almost entirely unreported, even in Chicago itself. This trend is not unique to Chicago, either

yummyfajitas 11y ago

What gives you the right to invalidate my father's feelings? You don't understand his lived experience (he was present at a major Islamic terrorist attack) at all! I believe that's the standard social justice retort to your claims. Being a more logically minded person, I'll instead invert it; your retort to my comment is that one person in the aforementioned demographic (e.g. a white/asian male) doesn't agree with me. If I could find one person in your aforementioned demographic (e.g. a black female) who didn't agree with you, would that be a valid retort against your comment?

SolaceQuantum 11y ago
I don't understand why you are dismissing claims as social justice and then trying to claim you are a more logically minded person. How is the claim that not all asian people agree with your father or had traumatic experiences with terrorism also invalidating experiences your father had? You claim to be a logical minded person but I'm not following the logic that your father's experiences are invalidated when someone says they don't share that view.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  Perhaps I misunderstood your post - I thought you were disagreeing and attempting to contribute to the conversation. Perhaps you were just randomly sharing your feelings for no reason?
  - deleted 11y ago
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  - SolaceQuantum 11y ago
    I'm saying in a time where you are taking the experiences of your father and attributing it to all white/asian middle class people, that isn't necessarily great.
    - yummyfajitas 11y ago
      ...attributing it to all white/asian middle class people... I never did this.
  - dang 11y ago
    Not cool. That crosses the line into incivility. I know you like to stay as close to the line as you can get without crossing it—which is far better than crossing it—but I wish you wouldn't. Your posts would be much better if you would show readers the respect of simply taking that edge out. They're literally edgy, and this acts as a low-grade provocation even when you're not technically saying anything abusive. This is not the way to bring the best out of your interlocutors and fellow users, and it's still a toxin in HN's environment, even if it's below the legal level. Instead, you should optimize for overall thread quality, which I'm sure you could do if you wanted to. There's some variant of the principle of charity in here somewhere.
    - Tycho 11y ago
      To be honest I find it highly entertaining (and interesting).
      - dang 11y ago
        Many entertaining and interesting experiments could be run on HN if one didn't care about damaging it.
        11y ago
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PedroBatista 11y ago

That's why there is something called Statistics and they show that you are objectively wrong. Now, about your feelings and uncomfortableness it's up to you.

ceejayoz 11y ago
> there is something called Statistics And there's a reason there's a famous book titled "how to lie with statistics".
SolaceQuantum 11y ago
Statistically speaking, police stop and look for crime disproportionately to minorities. no? http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/nypd-targets-minorities-stop-frisk-report-article-1.1075037 http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/nypd-targets-minorities-...
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  That's completely irrelevant. The data cited comes from the NCVS. It's based on a phone poll. "Have you been the victim of any crimes in the past year?" "Who committed the crime?" The purpose of the NCVS is to track crimes and their characteristics without relying on (often biased, and frequently manipulated) police reports.

xiaoma 11y ago

Living in Asia, I've seen a lot more news about "white males shooting up schools" than I have about other violent crime in the US, except perhaps police brutality. It's on major news pages / channels. Admittedly, most of what I find is through social media (US and Chinese). Where do you get most your news?

talmand 11y ago
Could be that one is more common than the other, therefore not as newsworthy. It's a sad state of affairs, but it seems most news is about sensationalism for purposes of generating revenue.
cthalupa 11y ago
The news, even in America, vastly under reports minority murders, especially in high crime urban areas. 400+ people are murdered every year in Chicago, with black men being the victims at more than 10x the rate of white people in general, and more than double the rate of all other racial groups combined. Most of this is gang related, and goes almost entirely unreported, even in Chicago itself. This trend is not unique to Chicago, either