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These methods aren't going to make people share music less -- it will simply make them find more secure ways of sharing. Lets all remember, that at the end of

These methods aren't going to make people share music less -- it will simply make them find more secure ways of sharing. Lets all remember, that at the end of the day, if I burn a few gigs of MP3s to a dvd and pass it to a friend hand to hand, the music industry will never know. Ultimately, sharing is something people want to do as a natural inclination. I like this band, so I want you to like this band, so here's their music. I personally have found the vast majority of the music I love in this fashion. I love passing on my love of music to other people. I've run private MP3 servers before. It brings me much joy to share music and then talk about it. I don't really know what these large verdicts do. They are still effectively like being hit by lightning, it's so unlikely it will happen to you.

roc 17y ago
From what I've seen, that's how sharing has been going since the extortion/lawsuit campaign started. The average person doesn't hit TPB. They ask their friends. On the edges of the graph people are downloading, but it's a small minority of the actual sharing going on.
- chrischen 17y ago
  It's also much easier to find the songs on google. And if you're more dedicated, ripping the audio from YouTube.
randombit 17y ago
This made me think of a quote which turns out to be from a Clay Shirky essay (http://www.shirky.com/writings/riaa_encryption.html http://www.shirky.com/writings/riaa_encryption.html) "It may be time to dust off that old issue of Wired, because the RIAA is succeeding where 10 years of hectoring by the Cypherpunks failed. [...] Note that the broadening adoption of encryption is not because users have become libertarians, but because they have become criminals; to a first approximation, every PC owner under the age of 35 is now a felon."
- RyanMcGreal 17y ago
  On the other side of the ledger we find this famous quote from Tim O'Reilly: > Obscurity is a far greater threat to authors and creative artists than piracy. http://openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/12/11/piracy.html http://openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/12/11/piracy.html
  - mrcharles 17y ago
    Yeah. I've never seen any solid stats, and I hate using my gut as an information source, but my gut tells me that piracy has been a much larger help to artists. I've seen a few news articles that imply it. Piracy is a threat to labels, but really, when a musician can grab Garage Band and a few thousand bucks of hardware and publish his own music... do we need labels?
    - jonny_noog 17y ago
      What I find amusing is this argument I've heard a few times coming from the labels that goes along the lines of that we need their expertise in order to produce and discern the "quality" music... Because they do such a good job of that usually.
bch 17y ago
See http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/07/harry-potter-and-digital-fingerprints http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/07/harry-potter-and-digita... and search for "Recorder Identification Code". I don't know if there's a way to subvert this.

roc 17y ago

From what I've seen, that's how sharing has been going since the extortion/lawsuit campaign started. The average person doesn't hit TPB. They ask their friends. On the edges of the graph people are downloading, but it's a small minority of the actual sharing going on.

chrischen 17y ago
It's also much easier to find the songs on google. And if you're more dedicated, ripping the audio from YouTube.

randombit 17y ago

This made me think of a quote which turns out to be from a Clay Shirky essay (http://www.shirky.com/writings/riaa_encryption.html http://www.shirky.com/writings/riaa_encryption.html) "It may be time to dust off that old issue of Wired, because the RIAA is succeeding where 10 years of hectoring by the Cypherpunks failed. [...] Note that the broadening adoption of encryption is not because users have become libertarians, but because they have become criminals; to a first approximation, every PC owner under the age of 35 is now a felon."

RyanMcGreal 17y ago
On the other side of the ledger we find this famous quote from Tim O'Reilly: > Obscurity is a far greater threat to authors and creative artists than piracy. http://openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/12/11/piracy.html http://openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/12/11/piracy.html
- mrcharles 17y ago
  Yeah. I've never seen any solid stats, and I hate using my gut as an information source, but my gut tells me that piracy has been a much larger help to artists. I've seen a few news articles that imply it. Piracy is a threat to labels, but really, when a musician can grab Garage Band and a few thousand bucks of hardware and publish his own music... do we need labels?
  - jonny_noog 17y ago
    What I find amusing is this argument I've heard a few times coming from the labels that goes along the lines of that we need their expertise in order to produce and discern the "quality" music... Because they do such a good job of that usually.

bch 17y ago

See http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/07/harry-potter-and-digital-fingerprints http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/07/harry-potter-and-digita... and search for "Recorder Identification Code". I don't know if there's a way to subvert this.