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While I sympathize with your viewpoint, perhaps I can shed some clarity on the other side. The concern is not feelings getting hurt, but rather physical securit

by maaku 11y ago

While I sympathize with your viewpoint, perhaps I can shed some clarity on the other side. The concern is not feelings getting hurt, but rather physical security as a person of minority status. This is something that a white heterosexual middle-class male (such as myself) can probably never fully appreciate, but I try to sympathize. Imagine what it is like to be black in a country where just a few generations back you carried at all times in mixed-race race situations the possibility of being assaulted without recourse or lynched, or in present times accused and convicted of a crime you didn't commit or shot on sight for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Imagine what it is like to be Jewish and have 85% of your relatives systematically wiped out in living memory. Imagine what it is like to be a woman on a college campus where statistically 1 in 3 suffer sexual assault over the course of a 4 year education, almost always with the assailant getting off without charges. Most times such people take offense it is not about feeling uncomfortable, but rather feeling unsafe. It is about fear that what starts with words will inevitably turn to, or enable, or justify actions.

beedogs 11y ago
That's completely irrational, though. Since when has reading about a violent assault led to a violent assault?
- dnr 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_violence_research https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_violence_research Not to mention all the (I think justifiable) talk currently about how violent rhetoric from politicians, in the media, encouraged the planned parenthood shooter and other recent domestic terrorists. I'm not completely sympathetic toward that point of view, but it's clearly not "completely irrational".
d_theorist 11y ago
What do you mean by "The concern"? What concern? The author's concern is about students complaining that they oughtn't to have their feelings hurt. I am sure that there are many other concerns out there - including physical safety - but I don't think they have anything to do with the concern raised by the OP.
stupidcar 11y ago
But this explanation does not seem to match the facts. For example, many law professors are having to stop teaching rape law, because so many students say it makes them uncomfortable[1]. Surely college students are capable of distinguishing between the threat of rape, and the discussion of relevant law in a classroom environment? So what is the safety issue here? Indeed, the end result will likely be a net lowering of safety in society as a whole, as a lack of expertise in rape law will make it harder to enforce and successfully prosecute. [1] http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rape-law http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rap...
- ebola1717 11y ago
  First of all, no one in that article is uncomfortable because they can't distinguish between "the threat of rape and and the discussion of relevant law." We're talking about survivors of sexual assault, for whom the often very explicit discussions of rape law can be emotionally taxing. You're right that we do need to teach rape law, now more than ever, and we need to be able to have these nuanced and explicit discussions - but there's ways to do that with empathy for survivors of sexual assault. And honestly, I don't see how warning the class about the content of a discussion beforehand or a few people abstaining (one's that likely wouldn't be participating much anyway) will drag down the entire system.
  - forgottenpass 11y ago
    You seem to be arguing from a premise that disagrees with the grand-parent's comment: Grandparent: "Most times such people take offense it is not about feeling uncomfortable, but rather feeling unsafe." You: "very explicit discussions of rape law can be emotionally taxing." Why did you reply to parent? You should tell grandparent poster they're wrong. Otherwise you're just giving parent poster the impression they're in disagreement with a viewpoint that uses rhetorical shuffle and impossible to pin down.
- taco_emoji 11y ago
  > For example, many law professors are having to stop teaching rape law, because so many students say it makes them uncomfortable[1] Nowhere in your link does it say that any professor anywhere had to stop teaching rape law.
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whatok 11y ago
Why has all the hyper-sensitivity only come to the forefront over the past few years then?
- SolaceQuantum 11y ago
  Why do you think it's only been the last few years? It's always existed. The internet allows people to now convene to discuss these issues and establish acceptable behaviors.
  - whatok 11y ago
    I don't know how much actual discussion (vs preaching to the choir) occurs on the internet when anyone with a remotely differing view is immediately told that they are wrong for not agreeing 100% and shortly after has a Twitter mob doxing them.
    - SolaceQuantum 11y ago
      It seems there isn't a twitter mob doxing you right now for having this view.
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- saturdaysaint 11y ago
  Like other rises in sensitivity, technology. Ever-present smartphone cameras (and, more recently, police cameras) have made violent attacks on black men real and visceral. And social media has made reports of violence (even without video)that would have been buried in papers much easier to find - such as Charles Blow's son getting (mistakenly) apprehended at gunpoint on Yale's campus by campus police. Much like color news broadcasts made the carnage in Vietnam less palatable than past wars, and the broadcasts of the violence against Selma protesters created a swell of support for the civil rights movement, technology expands our circle of those we perceive as connected to us.
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puttyaccount 11y ago
500 years ago everyone was more likely to die as a result of violence or disease. this doesn't make me feel unsafe now.
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yummyfajitas 11y ago
Actually white heterosexual middle class males can totally appreciate these things. Imagine what it is like to be white/asian in a country where a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by black men and where black on white crimes are 5.6 times more common than white on black crimes [1]. Imagine what it is like to be Christian when a disproportionate number of terror attacks are committed by Islamic types. My father feels unsafe (on my behalf) when he watches various Islamic terror attacks on the news. I was in Amsterdam last week, which is sort of near Paris and Brussels (though the Dutch seem to integrate their Muslims far better), and he was worried about my safety. In reality I'm far more likely to die from drinking Belgian beer, eating a space cake and then falling into a canal. I'm sure most of us agree that his feelings are completely irrational and entirely his problem. So why aren't the irrational fears held by various student groups treated the same way? [1] http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/ http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race...
- SolaceQuantum 11y ago
  I'm asian. I don't feel threatened by black crime when it's also shown that police target black people for arrest more than whites and that the system is often stacked against black people. I'm more uncomfortable that white males are shooting up schools in my country several times a year because there's nothing being done pointing this demographic out. Your experience doesn't reflect the experience of all others.
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    What gives you the right to invalidate my father's feelings? You don't understand his lived experience (he was present at a major Islamic terrorist attack) at all! I believe that's the standard social justice retort to your claims. Being a more logically minded person, I'll instead invert it; your retort to my comment is that one person in the aforementioned demographic (e.g. a white/asian male) doesn't agree with me. If I could find one person in your aforementioned demographic (e.g. a black female) who didn't agree with you, would that be a valid retort against your comment?
hueving 11y ago
This makes absolutely no sense. Plenty of Jewish people went to college in the last 50 years and did not request that the Holocaust be left out of history classes because it 'triggered' them.
whatok 11y ago
Please stop extrapolating from wherever you are getting these examples from. As a minority, I do not need anyone speaking for me and I especially do not need someone who has no idea what I go through trying to educate people. Stop stereotyping minorities and women.
lagadu 11y ago
I understand what you're saying but I feel that equating "I fear for my physical integrity" to "someone is talking about something I dislike" is a bit of leap.
JackdawX 11y ago
> Imagine what it is like to be black in a country where just a few generations back you carried at all times in mixed-race race situations the possibility of being assaulted without recourse or lynched, or in present times accused and convicted of a crime you didn't commit or shot on sight for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. > Imagine what it is like to be Jewish and have 85% of your relatives systematically wiped out in living memory. I think you're taking a devils advocate position here, but this is interesting if true. I'm not sure how the actions of people 60-80 years ago should affect how we view ~20-year-olds today? For example, how is the behaviour of white germans in 1945 related to white americans or british in either 1945 or 2015? I think we were on the opposite side of that war. As for black lynchings in the american south, again this is a localised issue. But lets say your university is in an area where it happened, how likely is it that someones grandfather was involved in a lynching? Pretty small. But even if they were, should someone today be associated with their grandparents criminal behavior? I don't see how.
- maaku 11y ago
  These things get carried forward culturally. The modern Jewish experience is very much rooted in the Holocaust, and the fear that it might happen again at any time. The Holocaust was not the first, or even the largest such pogrom -- note that there is a word coined precisely to describe genocide events targeting jews -- it was just the closest to the current generation of jews in western countries. It's hard to explain politics regarding present-day Israel without this context, for example. So yes, many Jews can relate with growing up being told that there were exterminators around every corner and that does have consequences.. Likewise, although I have less personal experience here, even if lynchings were not everyday events or impacted every black American family, the cultural impact carried forward can still be profound. And yes, I am taking a devil's advocate position. In many cases such as those described in the OP and other comments here political correctness has been taken way, way to far. There is a difference between incitement and a listener's general uncomfort with subject matter. Especially in the context of a university there must be a free exchange of ideas and the ability to have discourse on any subject matter without fear of academic retribution or censorship.
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jazzyk 11y ago
As to women on campus, NCVS, the agency of the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports around 0.4% rape rate, two orders of magnitude less from the numbers you quote (and if you look at the chart, decreasing over the past 20 years) From Wikipedia: A 2014 assessment by Sinozich and Langton used longitudinal data from the NCVS to measure rape and sexual assault among college aged U.S. women from 1995 to 2013. Their findings indicated that rape, a subset of all sexual assault, had an incidence of 1.4 per 1,000 female students (0.1%) in 2013[6] during the period studied. The study also found that college aged women (regardless of enrollment status) were assaulted at a significantly higher rate than non-college age women, 4.3 per 1,000 (0.4%) per year versus 1.4 per 1,000 (0.1%) per year, but that women who were not enrolled in college were 1.2 times more likely to be assaulted than college aged women who were enrolled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_sexual_assault https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_sexual_assault
- danharaj 11y ago
  > owever, results reported by the NCVS are consistently lower than studies using other methodologies, and researchers have charged that the question wording, context, and sampling methodology used on the NCVS leads a systematic underestimate of the incidence of rape and sexual assault.[5][14][15] A recent assessment of the NCVS methodology conducted by the National Research Council pointed to four flaws in the NCSV approach: the use of a sampling methodology that was inefficient in measuring low-incidence events like rape and sexual assault; the ambiguous wording questions related to sexual violence; the criminal justice definitions of assault; and the lack of privacy offered to survey respondents (phone interview vs. completely anonymous survey). The authors concluded that these flaws make it "highly likely that the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is underestimating rape and sexual assault."[5] The NCVS also differs from other studies by including off campus students among its statistics. Since the risk of assault is higher for students living on campus, the 0.6% reported assault rate is lower than rates reported for campus environments.
  - jazzyk 11y ago
    Other studies used completely unscientific methods (starting with VERY small sample size, also, extending the definition to include sexual assault, which could be verbal abuse, or anything really). Relevant quote: "The one-in-five estimate, on the other hand, comes from the federally funded Campus Sexual Assault Study (CSA), a 2006 web survey of more than 5,000 women and 1,000 men attending two unnamed, large public universities. As Yoffe points out, two campuses is an awfully small sample. Christopher Krebs, a senior researcher at a non-profit research group, RTI International, who led the Campus Sexual Assault Study, acknowledges that. “The one-in-five statistic is not anything we trotted out as a national statistic,” he says. “But it has certainly been used in that way” — most prominently by President Obama. " https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/12/11/the-dueling-data-on-campus-rape#.uNmrZiIyb https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/12/11/the-dueling-da...
bargl 11y ago
I think the main issue here is the difference between physical discomfort and emotional/intellectual discomfort. I think we've see so much physical discomfort forced on people and minorities that we try to overcompensate by making them COMPLETELY comfortable in every way. But feeling comfortable isn't always a good thing. Pain from working out isn't a bad thing, it's actually a sign of something good, but many people avoid it. Pain from a beating is bad for two reasons, it strikes both the physical body and the emotional psyche of the recipient. I think this is at the core of why people want to get rid of emotional damage, they don't realize that some pain teaches, and some harms. Something my football coach used to say to us. If you are hurt, get up and keep going. If you are injured you better get off of my field and rest. The same is true for emotional damage. Some hurts but is good for you, and other injures a person. It is a thin line to tread but I think we are well past the point where people are mistaking hurt for injury.
hnamazon123 11y ago
As a Jew I can tell you that most of the physical danger I feel and, empirically, that Jews experience comes from politically correct liberals (especially Europeans) who whitewash and fail to acknowledge the danger of Muslims and Islam. Political correctness has done a lot to harm Jews and is used as a tool of anti-semites to further their cause.
mafribe 11y ago
Interisting juxtaposition that you do: accused and convicted of a crime you didn't commit and 1 in 3 suffer sexual assault Does this number include false accusations? If not, what scientifically credible methodology did you use to distinguish false from valid accusations?
return0 11y ago
While i sympathize with suffering, suffering is not a heritable condition. Only a small percentage of old people in the americas correlates black with slavery, and another small fraction of the US/northern europe has a beef with jews. For a large majority of humans who don't hate, these are things that baffle you when you read history books . In any case i don't see how 'safe spaces' are helping. In dealing with an enemy you first have to know your enemy. I 'd rather have someone telling me they hate me openly so i can do something about it, rather than keep it in hiding and be ambushed.
Lawtonfogle 11y ago
Imagine what it is like to be a male, which per CDC reports have an almost equal chance to be raped within the last year as a woman, but who no one takes the assault serious even when you have significant evidence. Imagine what it is like when even the CDC report, from an official government agency, decides to specify a definition of rape that purposefully excludes you, and then leaves that fact out of the summary. We can play this game, but I'm pretty sure there are no winners.
forgetsusername 11y ago
>This is something that a white heterosexual middle-class male (such as myself) can probably never fully appreciate Why not? What exactly is "white" anyway? The reality is, you can come up horrible historic circumstances for pretty much any human division. Sure, some have had it worse than others, but where do you draw the line? I have Irish ancestors; they weren't exactly well treated. >Imagine what it is like to be a woman on a college campus where statistically 1 in 3 suffer sexual assault over the course of a 4 year education You have to really stretch the definition of "sexual assault" to arrive at that metric. If people actually consider a University campus "unsafe", then the world at large is going to feel unsafe. What is the plan to deal with that?

by maaku 11y ago

beedogs 11y ago

That's completely irrational, though. Since when has reading about a violent assault led to a violent assault?

dnr 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_violence_research https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_violence_research Not to mention all the (I think justifiable) talk currently about how violent rhetoric from politicians, in the media, encouraged the planned parenthood shooter and other recent domestic terrorists. I'm not completely sympathetic toward that point of view, but it's clearly not "completely irrational".

d_theorist 11y ago

What do you mean by "The concern"? What concern? The author's concern is about students complaining that they oughtn't to have their feelings hurt. I am sure that there are many other concerns out there - including physical safety - but I don't think they have anything to do with the concern raised by the OP.

stupidcar 11y ago

But this explanation does not seem to match the facts. For example, many law professors are having to stop teaching rape law, because so many students say it makes them uncomfortable[1]. Surely college students are capable of distinguishing between the threat of rape, and the discussion of relevant law in a classroom environment? So what is the safety issue here? Indeed, the end result will likely be a net lowering of safety in society as a whole, as a lack of expertise in rape law will make it harder to enforce and successfully prosecute. [1] http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rape-law http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rap...

ebola1717 11y ago
First of all, no one in that article is uncomfortable because they can't distinguish between "the threat of rape and and the discussion of relevant law." We're talking about survivors of sexual assault, for whom the often very explicit discussions of rape law can be emotionally taxing. You're right that we do need to teach rape law, now more than ever, and we need to be able to have these nuanced and explicit discussions - but there's ways to do that with empathy for survivors of sexual assault. And honestly, I don't see how warning the class about the content of a discussion beforehand or a few people abstaining (one's that likely wouldn't be participating much anyway) will drag down the entire system.
- forgottenpass 11y ago
  You seem to be arguing from a premise that disagrees with the grand-parent's comment: Grandparent: "Most times such people take offense it is not about feeling uncomfortable, but rather feeling unsafe." You: "very explicit discussions of rape law can be emotionally taxing." Why did you reply to parent? You should tell grandparent poster they're wrong. Otherwise you're just giving parent poster the impression they're in disagreement with a viewpoint that uses rhetorical shuffle and impossible to pin down.
taco_emoji 11y ago
> For example, many law professors are having to stop teaching rape law, because so many students say it makes them uncomfortable[1] Nowhere in your link does it say that any professor anywhere had to stop teaching rape law.

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whatok 11y ago

Why has all the hyper-sensitivity only come to the forefront over the past few years then?

SolaceQuantum 11y ago
Why do you think it's only been the last few years? It's always existed. The internet allows people to now convene to discuss these issues and establish acceptable behaviors.
- whatok 11y ago
  I don't know how much actual discussion (vs preaching to the choir) occurs on the internet when anyone with a remotely differing view is immediately told that they are wrong for not agreeing 100% and shortly after has a Twitter mob doxing them.
  - SolaceQuantum 11y ago
    It seems there isn't a twitter mob doxing you right now for having this view.
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saturdaysaint 11y ago
Like other rises in sensitivity, technology. Ever-present smartphone cameras (and, more recently, police cameras) have made violent attacks on black men real and visceral. And social media has made reports of violence (even without video)that would have been buried in papers much easier to find - such as Charles Blow's son getting (mistakenly) apprehended at gunpoint on Yale's campus by campus police. Much like color news broadcasts made the carnage in Vietnam less palatable than past wars, and the broadcasts of the violence against Selma protesters created a swell of support for the civil rights movement, technology expands our circle of those we perceive as connected to us.
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puttyaccount 11y ago

500 years ago everyone was more likely to die as a result of violence or disease. this doesn't make me feel unsafe now.

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yummyfajitas 11y ago

Actually white heterosexual middle class males can totally appreciate these things. Imagine what it is like to be white/asian in a country where a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by black men and where black on white crimes are 5.6 times more common than white on black crimes [1]. Imagine what it is like to be Christian when a disproportionate number of terror attacks are committed by Islamic types. My father feels unsafe (on my behalf) when he watches various Islamic terror attacks on the news. I was in Amsterdam last week, which is sort of near Paris and Brussels (though the Dutch seem to integrate their Muslims far better), and he was worried about my safety. In reality I'm far more likely to die from drinking Belgian beer, eating a space cake and then falling into a canal. I'm sure most of us agree that his feelings are completely irrational and entirely his problem. So why aren't the irrational fears held by various student groups treated the same way? [1] http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/ http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race...

SolaceQuantum 11y ago
I'm asian. I don't feel threatened by black crime when it's also shown that police target black people for arrest more than whites and that the system is often stacked against black people. I'm more uncomfortable that white males are shooting up schools in my country several times a year because there's nothing being done pointing this demographic out. Your experience doesn't reflect the experience of all others.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  What gives you the right to invalidate my father's feelings? You don't understand his lived experience (he was present at a major Islamic terrorist attack) at all! I believe that's the standard social justice retort to your claims. Being a more logically minded person, I'll instead invert it; your retort to my comment is that one person in the aforementioned demographic (e.g. a white/asian male) doesn't agree with me. If I could find one person in your aforementioned demographic (e.g. a black female) who didn't agree with you, would that be a valid retort against your comment?

hueving 11y ago

This makes absolutely no sense. Plenty of Jewish people went to college in the last 50 years and did not request that the Holocaust be left out of history classes because it 'triggered' them.

whatok 11y ago

Please stop extrapolating from wherever you are getting these examples from. As a minority, I do not need anyone speaking for me and I especially do not need someone who has no idea what I go through trying to educate people. Stop stereotyping minorities and women.

lagadu 11y ago

I understand what you're saying but I feel that equating "I fear for my physical integrity" to "someone is talking about something I dislike" is a bit of leap.

JackdawX 11y ago

> Imagine what it is like to be black in a country where just a few generations back you carried at all times in mixed-race race situations the possibility of being assaulted without recourse or lynched, or in present times accused and convicted of a crime you didn't commit or shot on sight for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. > Imagine what it is like to be Jewish and have 85% of your relatives systematically wiped out in living memory. I think you're taking a devils advocate position here, but this is interesting if true. I'm not sure how the actions of people 60-80 years ago should affect how we view ~20-year-olds today? For example, how is the behaviour of white germans in 1945 related to white americans or british in either 1945 or 2015? I think we were on the opposite side of that war. As for black lynchings in the american south, again this is a localised issue. But lets say your university is in an area where it happened, how likely is it that someones grandfather was involved in a lynching? Pretty small. But even if they were, should someone today be associated with their grandparents criminal behavior? I don't see how.

maaku 11y ago
These things get carried forward culturally. The modern Jewish experience is very much rooted in the Holocaust, and the fear that it might happen again at any time. The Holocaust was not the first, or even the largest such pogrom -- note that there is a word coined precisely to describe genocide events targeting jews -- it was just the closest to the current generation of jews in western countries. It's hard to explain politics regarding present-day Israel without this context, for example. So yes, many Jews can relate with growing up being told that there were exterminators around every corner and that does have consequences.. Likewise, although I have less personal experience here, even if lynchings were not everyday events or impacted every black American family, the cultural impact carried forward can still be profound. And yes, I am taking a devil's advocate position. In many cases such as those described in the OP and other comments here political correctness has been taken way, way to far. There is a difference between incitement and a listener's general uncomfort with subject matter. Especially in the context of a university there must be a free exchange of ideas and the ability to have discourse on any subject matter without fear of academic retribution or censorship.
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jazzyk 11y ago

As to women on campus, NCVS, the agency of the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports around 0.4% rape rate, two orders of magnitude less from the numbers you quote (and if you look at the chart, decreasing over the past 20 years) From Wikipedia: A 2014 assessment by Sinozich and Langton used longitudinal data from the NCVS to measure rape and sexual assault among college aged U.S. women from 1995 to 2013. Their findings indicated that rape, a subset of all sexual assault, had an incidence of 1.4 per 1,000 female students (0.1%) in 2013[6] during the period studied. The study also found that college aged women (regardless of enrollment status) were assaulted at a significantly higher rate than non-college age women, 4.3 per 1,000 (0.4%) per year versus 1.4 per 1,000 (0.1%) per year, but that women who were not enrolled in college were 1.2 times more likely to be assaulted than college aged women who were enrolled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_sexual_assault https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_sexual_assault

danharaj 11y ago
> owever, results reported by the NCVS are consistently lower than studies using other methodologies, and researchers have charged that the question wording, context, and sampling methodology used on the NCVS leads a systematic underestimate of the incidence of rape and sexual assault.[5][14][15] A recent assessment of the NCVS methodology conducted by the National Research Council pointed to four flaws in the NCSV approach: the use of a sampling methodology that was inefficient in measuring low-incidence events like rape and sexual assault; the ambiguous wording questions related to sexual violence; the criminal justice definitions of assault; and the lack of privacy offered to survey respondents (phone interview vs. completely anonymous survey). The authors concluded that these flaws make it "highly likely that the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is underestimating rape and sexual assault."[5] The NCVS also differs from other studies by including off campus students among its statistics. Since the risk of assault is higher for students living on campus, the 0.6% reported assault rate is lower than rates reported for campus environments.
- jazzyk 11y ago
  Other studies used completely unscientific methods (starting with VERY small sample size, also, extending the definition to include sexual assault, which could be verbal abuse, or anything really). Relevant quote: "The one-in-five estimate, on the other hand, comes from the federally funded Campus Sexual Assault Study (CSA), a 2006 web survey of more than 5,000 women and 1,000 men attending two unnamed, large public universities. As Yoffe points out, two campuses is an awfully small sample. Christopher Krebs, a senior researcher at a non-profit research group, RTI International, who led the Campus Sexual Assault Study, acknowledges that. “The one-in-five statistic is not anything we trotted out as a national statistic,” he says. “But it has certainly been used in that way” — most prominently by President Obama. " https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/12/11/the-dueling-data-on-campus-rape#.uNmrZiIyb https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/12/11/the-dueling-da...

bargl 11y ago

I think the main issue here is the difference between physical discomfort and emotional/intellectual discomfort. I think we've see so much physical discomfort forced on people and minorities that we try to overcompensate by making them COMPLETELY comfortable in every way. But feeling comfortable isn't always a good thing. Pain from working out isn't a bad thing, it's actually a sign of something good, but many people avoid it. Pain from a beating is bad for two reasons, it strikes both the physical body and the emotional psyche of the recipient. I think this is at the core of why people want to get rid of emotional damage, they don't realize that some pain teaches, and some harms. Something my football coach used to say to us. If you are hurt, get up and keep going. If you are injured you better get off of my field and rest. The same is true for emotional damage. Some hurts but is good for you, and other injures a person. It is a thin line to tread but I think we are well past the point where people are mistaking hurt for injury.

hnamazon123 11y ago

As a Jew I can tell you that most of the physical danger I feel and, empirically, that Jews experience comes from politically correct liberals (especially Europeans) who whitewash and fail to acknowledge the danger of Muslims and Islam. Political correctness has done a lot to harm Jews and is used as a tool of anti-semites to further their cause.

mafribe 11y ago

Interisting juxtaposition that you do: accused and convicted of a crime you didn't commit and 1 in 3 suffer sexual assault Does this number include false accusations? If not, what scientifically credible methodology did you use to distinguish false from valid accusations?

return0 11y ago

While i sympathize with suffering, suffering is not a heritable condition. Only a small percentage of old people in the americas correlates black with slavery, and another small fraction of the US/northern europe has a beef with jews. For a large majority of humans who don't hate, these are things that baffle you when you read history books . In any case i don't see how 'safe spaces' are helping. In dealing with an enemy you first have to know your enemy. I 'd rather have someone telling me they hate me openly so i can do something about it, rather than keep it in hiding and be ambushed.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago

Imagine what it is like to be a male, which per CDC reports have an almost equal chance to be raped within the last year as a woman, but who no one takes the assault serious even when you have significant evidence. Imagine what it is like when even the CDC report, from an official government agency, decides to specify a definition of rape that purposefully excludes you, and then leaves that fact out of the summary. We can play this game, but I'm pretty sure there are no winners.

forgetsusername 11y ago

>This is something that a white heterosexual middle-class male (such as myself) can probably never fully appreciate Why not? What exactly is "white" anyway? The reality is, you can come up horrible historic circumstances for pretty much any human division. Sure, some have had it worse than others, but where do you draw the line? I have Irish ancestors; they weren't exactly well treated. >Imagine what it is like to be a woman on a college campus where statistically 1 in 3 suffer sexual assault over the course of a 4 year education You have to really stretch the definition of "sexual assault" to arrive at that metric. If people actually consider a University campus "unsafe", then the world at large is going to feel unsafe. What is the plan to deal with that?