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Per Wikipedia, Oklahoma Wesleyan University serves about 900 students and is an evangelical Christian university of the Wesleyan Church located in Bartlesville,

Per Wikipedia, Oklahoma Wesleyan University serves about 900 students and is an evangelical Christian university of the Wesleyan Church located in Bartlesville, in the U.S. state of Oklahoma. Their motto is "A university where Jesus is Lord." In this article, conservative OKWU president Dr. Everett Piper seems to dismiss the concerns of one student, calling for more sermons full of guilt and shame, as a tool to get confessions of sins.

beedogs 11y ago
Is that the Tumblr summary?
flatline 11y ago
I honestly don't think he was being dismissive. I think he was acknowledging that the student's uncomfortable feelings were legitimate, even deliberately provoked, and offered a prescription for how to best handle them. This is (one) Christian message, and presumably one that the students at that school knowingly signed up for (well, their parents did, at any rate). I'm not a huge fan of self-blaming guilt, it tends to be just as self-indulgent as feeling violated by some sermon, but a sense of shame at one's shortcomings can be a useful guide for self growth and development. I am neither conservative nor a Christian but I find that I generally agree with his sentiment.
- iokevins 11y ago
  Thanks for taking the time to share these thoughts; I appreciate it. His comments resonate with a non-trivial number of people. Since they discuss human values we all share, that makes sense, to me. With respect to feelings of guilt and shame, I'm completely in agreement that they can represent a wake-up call to further self growth--but only insofar as we can link them to the human needs they are telling us to pay attention to. That's where the self growth occurs. I'm not in agreement with using guilt and shame, as tools to get people to obey or submit, because doing so focuses our attention on what we want people to do, not why we want them to do it. They're both important; without the latter, it's just obedience training. I think we're pretty close in our assessment, so I'll leave it, at that. Thanks again.
stefantalpalaru 11y ago
That says a lot about the US zeitgeist. The only one brave enough to call a spade a spade is an untouchable evangelical president from a tiny university. You live in fear, and some of you think that fear is good, as long as it protects those that don't want to grow up. I hope this convinces more valuable students to come study in Europe. It's about time for the brain drain to reverse its course.
- iokevins 11y ago
  Separation of church and state does have its moments.

beedogs 11y ago

Is that the Tumblr summary?

flatline 11y ago

I honestly don't think he was being dismissive. I think he was acknowledging that the student's uncomfortable feelings were legitimate, even deliberately provoked, and offered a prescription for how to best handle them. This is (one) Christian message, and presumably one that the students at that school knowingly signed up for (well, their parents did, at any rate). I'm not a huge fan of self-blaming guilt, it tends to be just as self-indulgent as feeling violated by some sermon, but a sense of shame at one's shortcomings can be a useful guide for self growth and development. I am neither conservative nor a Christian but I find that I generally agree with his sentiment.

iokevins 11y ago
Thanks for taking the time to share these thoughts; I appreciate it. His comments resonate with a non-trivial number of people. Since they discuss human values we all share, that makes sense, to me. With respect to feelings of guilt and shame, I'm completely in agreement that they can represent a wake-up call to further self growth--but only insofar as we can link them to the human needs they are telling us to pay attention to. That's where the self growth occurs. I'm not in agreement with using guilt and shame, as tools to get people to obey or submit, because doing so focuses our attention on what we want people to do, not why we want them to do it. They're both important; without the latter, it's just obedience training. I think we're pretty close in our assessment, so I'll leave it, at that. Thanks again.

stefantalpalaru 11y ago

That says a lot about the US zeitgeist. The only one brave enough to call a spade a spade is an untouchable evangelical president from a tiny university. You live in fear, and some of you think that fear is good, as long as it protects those that don't want to grow up. I hope this convinces more valuable students to come study in Europe. It's about time for the brain drain to reverse its course.

iokevins 11y ago
Separation of church and state does have its moments.