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What's an example of a half decent federated social networking protocol? Basically, I don't know what you mean . . .

by Kinnard 11y ago

AndrewKemendo 11y ago
There isn't one because it doesn't make sense. As facebook has proven, people generally want one place that gives them the stuff they indicate they want to see. A federated system means more work for the average person. I think federated systems generally (even governmental) aren't sustainable because they require too much effort from individual users for them to remain good - so they trend toward single or few "owners."
- EGreg 11y ago
  How about Wordpress? Powers 20% of websites.
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  - jsnathan 11y ago
    It might power 20% of all domains, but that doesn't equate to 20% of mindshare. Individual Facebook pages should be counted individually in this context. Wordpress also is not really a federated system, because the individual sites are not interconnected.
    - colechristensen 11y ago
      I want to be very snarky with an unnecessary description of a hyperlink... another day. Wordpress sites _are_ to a degree a federated protocol beyond hypertext: https://make.wordpress.org/support/user-manual/building-your-wordpress-community/trackbacks-and-pingbacks/ https://make.wordpress.org/support/user-manual/building-your...
    - zkhalique 11y ago
      What would it require to make it a federated system? And interconnected?
- Kinnard 11y ago
  So what do you think is gonna happen to the United States? Do you have examples? Additionally what do you think explains this phenomenon? I'm not sure I buy the to much work for individuals argument.
  - AndrewKemendo 11y ago
    So what do you think is gonna happen to the United States? I have no idea, but the idea of true hardcore federalism ended with the Civil War - for good reason in that case as you can't truly have it if there is an arbiter that can always trump the state if it sees fit. NAFTA, TPP have just eroded independence further. I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just what people want. Nothing is really done by individuals, rather small high effort groups typically are the ones that make things happen. Even within those, you have a handful of powerful people and the rest are largely there for the ride. This is the whole idea behind "key influencers" and "network effects." Get enough of the big people on board and the rest just follow - it's literally the same in every facet of life. If some form of the Jeffersonian proposal, that every citizen should have a self sustainable farm and gun, is what is necessary for sustainable, free society, Then you can wave that dream goodbye.
mjevans 11y ago
To prevent abuse it would pretty much have to be pull based. Your area would be a website you own and control, which would have a process that on some activation polled feeds from your friends and aggregated it together for your use. Your friends might be able to hit your wall and see you do that for others; you'd control what you shared via that action. The reason that will not happen is because the average user doesn't understand their privacy, can't easily get a location they own setup like that, and doesn't exist within a web of trust (which you could roll out with this via a public key system). Maybe those problems will be solved someday when server time is so cheep that it's a shock if someone doesn't own a VM which the law would treat similarly to an apartment.

What's an example of a half decent federated social networking protocol? Basically, I don't know what you mean . . .

by Kinnard 11y ago

What's an example of a half decent federated social networking protocol? Basically, I don't know what you mean . . .

There isn't one because it doesn't make sense. As facebook has proven, people generally want one place that gives them the stuff they indicate they want to see. A federated system means more work for the average person. I think federated systems generally (even governmental) aren't sustainable because they require too much effort from individual users for them to remain good - so they trend toward single or few "owners."

EGreg 11y ago
How about Wordpress? Powers 20% of websites.
- deleted 11y ago
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- jsnathan 11y ago
  It might power 20% of all domains, but that doesn't equate to 20% of mindshare. Individual Facebook pages should be counted individually in this context. Wordpress also is not really a federated system, because the individual sites are not interconnected.
  - colechristensen 11y ago
    I want to be very snarky with an unnecessary description of a hyperlink... another day. Wordpress sites _are_ to a degree a federated protocol beyond hypertext: https://make.wordpress.org/support/user-manual/building-your-wordpress-community/trackbacks-and-pingbacks/ https://make.wordpress.org/support/user-manual/building-your...
  - zkhalique 11y ago
    What would it require to make it a federated system? And interconnected?
Kinnard 11y ago
So what do you think is gonna happen to the United States? Do you have examples? Additionally what do you think explains this phenomenon? I'm not sure I buy the to much work for individuals argument.
- AndrewKemendo 11y ago
  So what do you think is gonna happen to the United States? I have no idea, but the idea of true hardcore federalism ended with the Civil War - for good reason in that case as you can't truly have it if there is an arbiter that can always trump the state if it sees fit. NAFTA, TPP have just eroded independence further. I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just what people want. Nothing is really done by individuals, rather small high effort groups typically are the ones that make things happen. Even within those, you have a handful of powerful people and the rest are largely there for the ride. This is the whole idea behind "key influencers" and "network effects." Get enough of the big people on board and the rest just follow - it's literally the same in every facet of life. If some form of the Jeffersonian proposal, that every citizen should have a self sustainable farm and gun, is what is necessary for sustainable, free society, Then you can wave that dream goodbye.

mjevans 11y ago

To prevent abuse it would pretty much have to be pull based. Your area would be a website you own and control, which would have a process that on some activation polled feeds from your friends and aggregated it together for your use. Your friends might be able to hit your wall and see you do that for others; you'd control what you shared via that action. The reason that will not happen is because the average user doesn't understand their privacy, can't easily get a location they own setup like that, and doesn't exist within a web of trust (which you could roll out with this via a public key system). Maybe those problems will be solved someday when server time is so cheep that it's a shock if someone doesn't own a VM which the law would treat similarly to an apartment.