4 ms·

> I find Daesh far scarier than other Islamic fundamentalist movements because their techniques are more sophisticated and their aim is much higher. Daesh are

by wdewind 11y ago

> I find Daesh far scarier than other Islamic fundamentalist movements because their techniques are more sophisticated and their aim is much higher. Daesh are basically the same people with the same goals as the other Islamic fundamentalist movements you are familiar with. Read the history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...

beat 11y ago
That's like saying Twitter is the same as Google, just because principal founders came from Google.
- wdewind 11y ago
  I'm not really sure how you can read the history of the organization and come up with that. al-Tawid was founded at around the same time as al Qaeda (within a few years), and they merged to become al Qaeda in Iraq and then ISIS/ISIL. In some ways the person I was responding to was right because, between Osama and al Zarqawi, Osama was definitely the moderate. But you're talking about wanting to kill everyone who isn't a muslim vs. everyone who isn't sunni muslim. The idea that ISIS is something fundamentally different is driven by the media. It's sort of how DARE tries to scare parents by saying "This generation is smoking some really crazy stuff you're not familiar with!"
  - beat 11y ago
    Daesh is taking and holding territory. And they're dragging major powers in to fight them there, quite deliberately. That's pretty different to me.
    - wdewind 11y ago
      Pretty different from what? Afghanistan in the 70s/80s was almost exactly this: a destabilized national government, insurgent forces taking and holding territory, global powers being dragged into it. The only differences are the rhetoric. Edit: here, this may be a link that helps you understand more of the history of the region as well as the context for the rise of AQ/ISIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat

by wdewind 11y ago

beat 11y ago

That's like saying Twitter is the same as Google, just because principal founders came from Google.

wdewind 11y ago
I'm not really sure how you can read the history of the organization and come up with that. al-Tawid was founded at around the same time as al Qaeda (within a few years), and they merged to become al Qaeda in Iraq and then ISIS/ISIL. In some ways the person I was responding to was right because, between Osama and al Zarqawi, Osama was definitely the moderate. But you're talking about wanting to kill everyone who isn't a muslim vs. everyone who isn't sunni muslim. The idea that ISIS is something fundamentally different is driven by the media. It's sort of how DARE tries to scare parents by saying "This generation is smoking some really crazy stuff you're not familiar with!"
- beat 11y ago
  Daesh is taking and holding territory. And they're dragging major powers in to fight them there, quite deliberately. That's pretty different to me.
  - wdewind 11y ago
    Pretty different from what? Afghanistan in the 70s/80s was almost exactly this: a destabilized national government, insurgent forces taking and holding territory, global powers being dragged into it. The only differences are the rhetoric. Edit: here, this may be a link that helps you understand more of the history of the region as well as the context for the rise of AQ/ISIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat