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The article has two major flaws: first, it does not consider climate change caused by the meat industry: in the documentary COWSPIRACY it is shown that 54% of C

by mhkool 11y ago

The article has two major flaws: first, it does not consider climate change caused by the meat industry: in the documentary COWSPIRACY it is shown that 54% of CO2 production is from the meat industry. The second flaw is the fact that our planet has multiple waves of more or less natural temperature changes; see for example Gregg Braden's site: http://www.greggbraden.com/blog/time-climate-extremes/ http://www.greggbraden.com/blog/time-climate-extremes/

lumberjack 11y ago
The actual flaw is that he never makes the argument that he baits the user with. He argues over the projected change in a very amateurish way but that is besides the point because he never considers what it means to have a 1 degree global temperature rise. He just sort of says, it's not 2 degrees, it is 1. So what? We are not even there yet and there is already evidence that there is a increase in the frequency of hurricanes. A 1 degree rise could be still very devastating for many regions worldwide.
- Turing_Machine 11y ago
  "There is already evidence that there is a increase in the frequency of hurricanes" There is no such evidence, certainly not for major hurricanes. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/05/dont-believe-the-global-warmists-major-hurricanes-are-less-frequent/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/05/dont-beli...
  - Turing_Machine 11y ago
    If you prefer a peer-reviewed journal, see: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00719.1?journalCode=clim& http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00719.... From the abstract: "The analysis does not indicate significant long-period global or individual basin trends in the frequency or intensity of landfalling [tropical cyclones] of minor or major hurricane strength. The evidence in this study provides strong support for the conclusion that increasing damage around the world during the past several decades can be explained entirely by increasing wealth in locations prone to TC landfalls..."
    - lumberjack 11y ago
      This more recent article contradicts the findings in the one you linked. http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v8/n11/abs/ngeo2560.html http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v8/n11/abs/ngeo2560.html I won't take any strong stances as this as it is not my field of research but I was under the impression that the affects of climate change on extreme weather phenomena has already been observed. It's not just hurricanes. There's also articles about drought and wildfires.
      - Turing_Machine 11y ago
        Your original claim was that the number of hurricanes has increased. This paper is talking about economic losses (i.e., something a lot fuzzier and less quantifiable than the raw number of hurricanes). Do you have any actual evidence that the number of hurricanes has increased? If not, you should probably retract your original claim, rather than trying to change the subject to drought and wildfires.

by mhkool 11y ago

lumberjack 11y ago

The actual flaw is that he never makes the argument that he baits the user with. He argues over the projected change in a very amateurish way but that is besides the point because he never considers what it means to have a 1 degree global temperature rise. He just sort of says, it's not 2 degrees, it is 1. So what? We are not even there yet and there is already evidence that there is a increase in the frequency of hurricanes. A 1 degree rise could be still very devastating for many regions worldwide.

Turing_Machine 11y ago
"There is already evidence that there is a increase in the frequency of hurricanes" There is no such evidence, certainly not for major hurricanes. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/05/dont-believe-the-global-warmists-major-hurricanes-are-less-frequent/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/05/dont-beli...
- Turing_Machine 11y ago
  If you prefer a peer-reviewed journal, see: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00719.1?journalCode=clim& http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00719.... From the abstract: "The analysis does not indicate significant long-period global or individual basin trends in the frequency or intensity of landfalling [tropical cyclones] of minor or major hurricane strength. The evidence in this study provides strong support for the conclusion that increasing damage around the world during the past several decades can be explained entirely by increasing wealth in locations prone to TC landfalls..."
  - lumberjack 11y ago
    This more recent article contradicts the findings in the one you linked. http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v8/n11/abs/ngeo2560.html http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v8/n11/abs/ngeo2560.html I won't take any strong stances as this as it is not my field of research but I was under the impression that the affects of climate change on extreme weather phenomena has already been observed. It's not just hurricanes. There's also articles about drought and wildfires.
    - Turing_Machine 11y ago
      Your original claim was that the number of hurricanes has increased. This paper is talking about economic losses (i.e., something a lot fuzzier and less quantifiable than the raw number of hurricanes). Do you have any actual evidence that the number of hurricanes has increased? If not, you should probably retract your original claim, rather than trying to change the subject to drought and wildfires.