> but what gets me is you have people that speak like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nj5MMURCm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nj5MMURCm8 and tell fore

> but what gets me is you have people that speak like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nj5MMURCm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nj5MMURCm8 and tell foreigners they are not understandable hah, IMO that's because they mixed the music way too loud in that clip :) I can make out most of it, but definitely not the very first bit. I guess if it had been Dutch, I'd also have trouble understanding everything--though perhaps a bit less because like you imply, I'm better trained at separating "Dutch sounds" from background noise. This is the reason why I really prefer to watch English TV or movies with (English) subtitles. It's one thing to understand what they say, it's another thing to be able to make it out in the first place.