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copyright is hard. If you just blindly accept DMCA takedown notices you become an avenue for trolls, overzealous lawyers and predatory companies. However, if yo

copyright is hard. If you just blindly accept DMCA takedown notices you become an avenue for trolls, overzealous lawyers and predatory companies. However, if you do nothing, people will pirate shit and sell it on your platform. "I steal music, but I don't resell it" is a shitty argument I saw someone make earlier. I steal content all the time. It is wrong, but I do it anyway. If I create content that can be copied in a frictionless way, I know it will be stolen, I will expect it and I will be pissed. What do the people who are criticizing udemy want them to do? Bias towards dropping all speculative content? That would make it very hard to onboard new users, lead to abuse, and lead to dead-links and ephemeral content. Do what they are doing now? Trying to take content down that is known to be copied, especially when it is pointed out publcily. Obviously, it is good from a biz standpoint they want to make money, protect their reputation and not have to hire a ton of mechanical turk workers to prowl all social media. so what do you want? The world could use an awesome answer to copywrite issues, but there is no easy answer, it is hard to automate, and that is just a reality that we will have to live with for a while into the future.

briandear 11y ago
It's easy: a DMCA takedown ought to require proof of infringement: the burden being on the license holder. As it is now, it's takedown first then the poster of the content must prove their rights. Many of my music producer friends have had their own content pulled on Soundcloud, despite them having both created the song and owned the label that released it!
- lips 11y ago
  I think there's at least as much progress to be made via platforms developing solution systems, ala CAPTCHA, password reset emails, the verification system used on swappa.com, "salutes" (verification selfie), verification files... Could udemy only accept videos that have a visual/verbal confirmation "leader" attached with the submission? Yes, confirmation via voice is absurd - but it's a relatively minor obstacle in creation/submission, and quickly triaged for missing or egregiously obvious fakes. This is not some incredible idea, but my point is that when it matters to the web, the web can sometimes create accurate widely adaptable solutions, instead of intractable legalese. The question is, when will piracy (capital M) matter on a cultural level, vs. primarily being a concern of groups that are sometimes not even acting in the best interest of the people they represent.
jsprogrammer 11y ago
>If you just blindly accept DMCA takedown notices you become an avenue for trolls, overzealous lawyers and predatory companies. If you do not blindly accept DMCA takedown notices, you do not receive its safe harbor protections.

briandear 11y ago

It's easy: a DMCA takedown ought to require proof of infringement: the burden being on the license holder. As it is now, it's takedown first then the poster of the content must prove their rights. Many of my music producer friends have had their own content pulled on Soundcloud, despite them having both created the song and owned the label that released it!

lips 11y ago
I think there's at least as much progress to be made via platforms developing solution systems, ala CAPTCHA, password reset emails, the verification system used on swappa.com, "salutes" (verification selfie), verification files... Could udemy only accept videos that have a visual/verbal confirmation "leader" attached with the submission? Yes, confirmation via voice is absurd - but it's a relatively minor obstacle in creation/submission, and quickly triaged for missing or egregiously obvious fakes. This is not some incredible idea, but my point is that when it matters to the web, the web can sometimes create accurate widely adaptable solutions, instead of intractable legalese. The question is, when will piracy (capital M) matter on a cultural level, vs. primarily being a concern of groups that are sometimes not even acting in the best interest of the people they represent.

jsprogrammer 11y ago

>If you just blindly accept DMCA takedown notices you become an avenue for trolls, overzealous lawyers and predatory companies. If you do not blindly accept DMCA takedown notices, you do not receive its safe harbor protections.