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At bare minimum, not allow the same content to be repeatedly uploaded? I understand they are somewhat restricted by what they can do because of the DMCA, but a

by x0x0 11y ago

At bare minimum, not allow the same content to be repeatedly uploaded? I understand they are somewhat restricted by what they can do because of the DMCA, but afaik it's kosher to, once material is DMCAd, fingerprint it and never publish it again. In the article that seems to have kicked this PR stuff off, it references @jeffrey_way claiming his stuff has been repeatedly uploaded. https://medium.com/@robconery/how-udemy-is-profiting-from-piracy-5638b929ffca https://medium.com/@robconery/how-udemy-is-profiting-from-pi... viz https://twitter.com/jeffrey_way/status/649933605305774081 https://twitter.com/jeffrey_way/status/649933605305774081

HappyTypist 11y ago
DMCA certainly does not restrict the ability of service providers to proactively screen and remove content (see: YouTube's content ID). Udemy can hire one full time employee to quickly Google the name of all new uploaded courses, and this will catch the vast majority of plagiarism.
- x0x0 11y ago
  My understanding, as provided by counsel, is that proactively looking for material and missing it could expose the company to liability that would not be present if we did not actively look. Fingerprinting and permanent banning of DMCAd material did not. Yes this is a weird set of incentives but I didn't write the law.
  - erdojo 11y ago
    This is my least favorite part of the DMCA law (which overall I support). But it is true - if Udemy starts proactively screening, they could easily lose Safe Harbor. However, they may be in a bit of a pickle. Because the DMCA also doesn't allow for "willful blindness". Meaning if they know it's happening, know where it's happening and simply let it happen, they also lose Safe Harbor.
jsprogrammer 11y ago
>At bare minimum, not allow the same content to be repeatedly uploaded? How would would they prevent that? Fingerprints are trivially modified. Do you want them to retain and use known-infringing material?
- x0x0 11y ago
  Audio fingerprinting is nothing like trivially modified. Retaining a fingerprint (and yes this has been litigated) is not the same as retaining the original material.

by x0x0 11y ago

HappyTypist 11y ago

DMCA certainly does not restrict the ability of service providers to proactively screen and remove content (see: YouTube's content ID). Udemy can hire one full time employee to quickly Google the name of all new uploaded courses, and this will catch the vast majority of plagiarism.

x0x0 11y ago
My understanding, as provided by counsel, is that proactively looking for material and missing it could expose the company to liability that would not be present if we did not actively look. Fingerprinting and permanent banning of DMCAd material did not. Yes this is a weird set of incentives but I didn't write the law.
- erdojo 11y ago
  This is my least favorite part of the DMCA law (which overall I support). But it is true - if Udemy starts proactively screening, they could easily lose Safe Harbor. However, they may be in a bit of a pickle. Because the DMCA also doesn't allow for "willful blindness". Meaning if they know it's happening, know where it's happening and simply let it happen, they also lose Safe Harbor.

jsprogrammer 11y ago

>At bare minimum, not allow the same content to be repeatedly uploaded? How would would they prevent that? Fingerprints are trivially modified. Do you want them to retain and use known-infringing material?

x0x0 11y ago
Audio fingerprinting is nothing like trivially modified. Retaining a fingerprint (and yes this has been litigated) is not the same as retaining the original material.