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Have you heard of Mozilla? http://mozilla.org http://mozilla.org I'm a Mozillian myself and I can tell you I wouldn't have been one if the community wouldn't h

Have you heard of Mozilla? http://mozilla.org http://mozilla.org I'm a Mozillian myself and I can tell you I wouldn't have been one if the community wouldn't have showed me such a great and kind support since the first minute I decided to step in a introduce myself. Plus we breathe OSS and have multiple talents of every kind. Mozilla works serving, promoting and protecting the Open Web, and provides the tools to do so by ourselves. Firefox is -mostly- a community effort, with translators, designers, and coders from all around the world. If you decide to join, feel free to say Hi in the forums of the community: https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/ https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/

marcoperaza 11y ago
Just be careful if you don't share their political views. They just might go digging through everything you've ever said and every cause you've ever donated to and start a witch hunt. Even if you invented Javascript.
- sandofsky 11y ago
  A litmus test of a great community is how they deal with people who are technically useful but socially reprehensible.
  - sqldba 11y ago
    Curious what you think the response should be.
    - sandofsky 11y ago
      If the person is toxic, and nothing will change that, get rid of them before any more damage is done. I could argue that even if they're 10x more productive, they will drive off far more than 10 contributors. But really you do it because it's the right thing to do.
      - yarou 11y ago
        The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.
        sandofsky 11y ago
        So, would you accept a known racist in your community?
        yarou 11y ago
        I would accept a demon that worked, rather than an angel that spoke. A person's beliefs have nothing to do with the quality of their work.
        sandofsky 11y ago
        You are an embodiment of tech's diversity problem.
        yarou 11y ago
        No, I am the embodiment of logic and reason in a world where nepotism reigns. Except the nepotism isn't derived from hereditary privilege or income; it is derived from a particularly virulent philosophy that is not rooted in reality. Also, I am an Indian-American male, second generation. Please don't speak for me when you have no idea how it feels to be a minority in the US. I'm not some mascot you can parade around to make yourself feel justified in your flawed philosophy and ideals.
        sandofsky 11y ago
        Would you work at a company where your boss doesn't think Indians should be allowed to marry? Despite donating to campaigns to outlaw it, he promises it won't affect your job.
  - xwkd 11y ago
    Making a political donation toward a popular opinion (7 million people agreed with Eich) means that you are socially reprehensible? I disagree with him, but I would not let a dissenting opinion on a single controversial political subject lead me to conclude that a person is "reprehensible" in any way.
    - caseysoftware 11y ago
      Just before Eich's donation, Obama was against gay marriage too and even said marriage was not a civil right: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-obamas-evolving-on-same-sex-marriage/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-oba...
      - sandofsky 11y ago
        The difference is that Eich never actually apologized, or said his opinion changed. It was always, "Don't worry, Mozilla will be fine!" He argued that accepting bigotry is a form of inclusion. So, all signs point to him remaining a bigot.
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        Asbostos 11y ago
        Ironically, pretty much all of us are bigots in various ways, we just don't know it because we believe we're right. Eat meat? Drive a car? Pay taxes to a militarily aggressive and murderous government? Buy luxury goods while poor people starve, even though you could have saved them with the same money? Think people should be prohibited from earning money if they weren't born in the right place or to the right parents? Opposing gay marriage is buried in a giant smelly pile of bigotries. So, I agree with the X-parent saying it's wrong to kick someone out for supporting a popular and controversial political idea. It really isn't clear what the truly right answer is, and those same people doing the kicking will be holding "wrong" opinions in other areas.
        pma 11y ago
  - tbrooks 11y ago
    It's only "socially reprehensible" because you're holding the pen that draws the line.
  - marcoperaza 11y ago
    That's an awfully strong judgment to make on the sole basis of a $1000 donation to a popular cause (one that won the election, no less). It's not like he was a leader of the anti- gay-marriage movement. If he didn't bring his politics to work, there was no good reason for anyone else to. There's no evidence that his views on gay marriage affected how he treated anyone at Mozilla. Not a single complaint as far as I've heard, and I'm sure that he interacted with a lot of people given that he was a co-founder of Mozilla. Magnanimity in victory is a virtue for a democratic society. Do you really think that it's good to have political witch hunts every time the winds change on a social issue?
    - humanrebar 11y ago
      > Magnanimity in victory is a virtue for a democratic society. The word for this used to be "tolerance".
      - reinhardt 11y ago
        Which has limits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
        humanrebar 11y ago
        Was Eich intolerant? Or were his views just unpopular? I haven't seen any evidence of intolerance from his side of things.
    - pma 11y ago
      Agree 100%. It is shameful the way they treated the man.I wont encourage anyone to participate in open source work in Mozilla.
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nivla 11y ago
>Mozilla works serving, promoting and protecting the Open Web. I used to believe this until they started including proprietary/non-open services (Hello & Pocket) by default and that too in an update. Not sure what they were thinking as it clearly goes against their motto. It wasn't even a requested feature of the community! Regardless, that ruined Firefox for me. :(

marcoperaza 11y ago

Just be careful if you don't share their political views. They just might go digging through everything you've ever said and every cause you've ever donated to and start a witch hunt. Even if you invented Javascript.

sandofsky 11y ago
A litmus test of a great community is how they deal with people who are technically useful but socially reprehensible.
- sqldba 11y ago
  Curious what you think the response should be.
  - sandofsky 11y ago
    If the person is toxic, and nothing will change that, get rid of them before any more damage is done. I could argue that even if they're 10x more productive, they will drive off far more than 10 contributors. But really you do it because it's the right thing to do.
    - yarou 11y ago
      The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.
      - sandofsky 11y ago
        So, would you accept a known racist in your community?
        yarou 11y ago
        I would accept a demon that worked, rather than an angel that spoke. A person's beliefs have nothing to do with the quality of their work.
        sandofsky 11y ago
        You are an embodiment of tech's diversity problem.
        yarou 11y ago
        No, I am the embodiment of logic and reason in a world where nepotism reigns. Except the nepotism isn't derived from hereditary privilege or income; it is derived from a particularly virulent philosophy that is not rooted in reality. Also, I am an Indian-American male, second generation. Please don't speak for me when you have no idea how it feels to be a minority in the US. I'm not some mascot you can parade around to make yourself feel justified in your flawed philosophy and ideals.
        sandofsky 11y ago
        Would you work at a company where your boss doesn't think Indians should be allowed to marry? Despite donating to campaigns to outlaw it, he promises it won't affect your job.
- xwkd 11y ago
  Making a political donation toward a popular opinion (7 million people agreed with Eich) means that you are socially reprehensible? I disagree with him, but I would not let a dissenting opinion on a single controversial political subject lead me to conclude that a person is "reprehensible" in any way.
  - caseysoftware 11y ago
    Just before Eich's donation, Obama was against gay marriage too and even said marriage was not a civil right: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-obamas-evolving-on-same-sex-marriage/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-oba...
    - sandofsky 11y ago
      The difference is that Eich never actually apologized, or said his opinion changed. It was always, "Don't worry, Mozilla will be fine!" He argued that accepting bigotry is a form of inclusion. So, all signs point to him remaining a bigot.
      - deleted 11y ago
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      - Asbostos 11y ago
        Ironically, pretty much all of us are bigots in various ways, we just don't know it because we believe we're right. Eat meat? Drive a car? Pay taxes to a militarily aggressive and murderous government? Buy luxury goods while poor people starve, even though you could have saved them with the same money? Think people should be prohibited from earning money if they weren't born in the right place or to the right parents? Opposing gay marriage is buried in a giant smelly pile of bigotries. So, I agree with the X-parent saying it's wrong to kick someone out for supporting a popular and controversial political idea. It really isn't clear what the truly right answer is, and those same people doing the kicking will be holding "wrong" opinions in other areas.
      - pma 11y ago
- tbrooks 11y ago
  It's only "socially reprehensible" because you're holding the pen that draws the line.
- marcoperaza 11y ago
  That's an awfully strong judgment to make on the sole basis of a $1000 donation to a popular cause (one that won the election, no less). It's not like he was a leader of the anti- gay-marriage movement. If he didn't bring his politics to work, there was no good reason for anyone else to. There's no evidence that his views on gay marriage affected how he treated anyone at Mozilla. Not a single complaint as far as I've heard, and I'm sure that he interacted with a lot of people given that he was a co-founder of Mozilla. Magnanimity in victory is a virtue for a democratic society. Do you really think that it's good to have political witch hunts every time the winds change on a social issue?
  - humanrebar 11y ago
    > Magnanimity in victory is a virtue for a democratic society. The word for this used to be "tolerance".
    - reinhardt 11y ago
      Which has limits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
      - humanrebar 11y ago
        Was Eich intolerant? Or were his views just unpopular? I haven't seen any evidence of intolerance from his side of things.
  - pma 11y ago
    Agree 100%. It is shameful the way they treated the man.I wont encourage anyone to participate in open source work in Mozilla.
- deleted 11y ago
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nivla 11y ago

>Mozilla works serving, promoting and protecting the Open Web. I used to believe this until they started including proprietary/non-open services (Hello & Pocket) by default and that too in an update. Not sure what they were thinking as it clearly goes against their motto. It wasn't even a requested feature of the community! Regardless, that ruined Firefox for me. :(