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Here from US. Element 14 charged shipping + tax = $6.55 + $3.69, total almost $46 for model B. I ordered B+ from MCM (which I believe is also under the same par

by yeukhon 11y ago

Here from US. Element 14 charged shipping + tax = $6.55 + $3.69, total almost $46 for model B. I ordered B+ from MCM (which I believe is also under the same parent company as Element 14) and came at $9.99 shipping without tax. Does CHIP order charge tax? I don't think the elephant in the room is just the shipping cost, the overall cost of getting this tiny computer up and running is beyond just some tax and shipping cost. You have to get an SD card, power adapter and an HDMI. Tons of people still run DVI or VGA. If you have a monitor without HDMI you are fucked so you have to buy a converter. I didn't have these so I got them off Amazon and the final cost probably came at about $100? I didn't even get the case, because I made one out of cardboard. If you have more than one Pi, you need another SD card, another charger, another HDMI cable, so again you are back to full price. There should really be just a way to connect all PIs to a single USB-powered portable drive. SD card is such as poor choice and a poor design decision choice. Sorry. PI is great for small project, but if there weren't fund for schools to buy all the accessories, I don't know if Pi would take off at $35 price range. It is never $35. Let alone in Zero's case, agree, definitely not at $5. Fair enough, marketing stun and it may be true that the computer itself is $5, but the fineprint "you have to get the rest yourself at another $30+" is assumed to be common sense. Oh not to mention the cost of waiting to get one of these tiny computers.

icebraining 11y ago
$100 for an USB power adapter, an SD card and an HDMI cable? You got ripped off. You can get the three for less than $20. 16GB Kingston card: $5.26 AmazonBasics USB charger (2 Amp): $5.99 AmazonBasics high-speed HDMI cable: $4.82
- yeukhon 11y ago
  It reads " the final cost probably came at about $100", which means including model B+, shipping cost and everything.
  - icebraining 11y ago
    Sorry. That said, it's still way too much. Adafruit sells the B+ with tax + shipping for $40.26. Adding up, it's still less than $60.
    - yeukhon 11y ago
      1. Because it shows how much one have to spend for the more expensive model. 2. I don't not know Adafruit, but most people I know got their PI from one of the partners. If we got ripped off, that's a fault on RPF (https://www.raspberrypi.org/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/). I actually mixed up model B and model B+, I owned both. Model B is the more recent one is more expensive. But I got both when they first came out, so equally just ordering from the approved distributor the cost was pretty much the same. I am not going to argue cent by cent with you, the final bill for each setup came around $100, and at the time they were the cheapest and most reliable. Also, there have been many reports on which SD card is better for the model, so I didn't just pick a random cheapest SD card. Your mileage varies. Whether I got ripped off any $10, $20 or not, the end result is still the same. The overall cost is larger.
      - wolfgke 11y ago
        > I actually mixed up model B and model B+, I owned both. Model B is the more recent one is more expensive. "Raspberry Pi Model B+" (renamed to "Raspberry Pi 1 Model B+", when Raspberry Pi 2 came out) is more recent than "Raspberry Pi (1) Model B": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
- gPphX 11y ago
  * Raspberry Pi Zero * $0.74 USB OTG Cable -Adapter -Converter | Free Shipping by eBay * $1.49 HDMI cable HDMI mini -Adapter | Free Shipping by eBay * $1.17 USB AC Charger 2A -eu -uk | Free Shipping by eBay * $3.41 Kingston 4 GB Flash Memory Card SDC10/4GBSP | Free Shipping by Amazon = $6.81 Peripheral Cost
  - vardump 11y ago
    Watch out for cheap USB chargers. They can be a safety risk. Google "cheap usb charger teardown". For example http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-ap...
icebraining 11y ago
If you have more than one Pi, you need another SD card, another charger, another HDMI cable, so again you are back to full price. There should really be just a way to connect all PIs to a single USB-powered portable drive. SD card is such as poor choice and a poor design decision choice. Sorry. I completely disagree. SD cards are dirt cheap nowadays - you can get a pack of five 8GB Sandisk cards for ~$16 on Amazon - and they allow the users to carry their own computer home instead of being stuck in the classroom.
- yeukhon 11y ago
  <strike>You do know the price is a discount for Prime right?</strike> And the price is never the same day to day. [edit] I take it back. The price is for both prime and non-prime.
derekp7 11y ago
Isn't an HDMI to DVI cable a passive cable? That is, are there any DVI monitors that don't also support HDMI over the same connector? Or is that only a standard on newer monitors?
- LukeShu 11y ago
  DVI is interesting, because it supports both analog and digital signaling. The analog signaling (DVI-A) is the same signal as VGA, and can be done with a passive adapter; the digital (DVI-D) is the same signal HDMI, and can be done with a passive cable. So, there are monitors that support DVI-A but not DVI-D, and therefore no HDMI; though these are rare.
- nevdka 11y ago
  DVI uses the same digital video signal as HDMI, and passive cables or adapters make it easy to switch between them. I have an older graphics card, one with 1 HDMI port, 1 VGA port, and 1 DVI port. I've got the HDMI and DVI plugged into 2 HDMI monitors. DVI can also carry an analog video signal. The DVI out on my graphics card can use a passive cable/adapter to VGA. I think DVI was intended as an intermediate standard, so people could use their existing VGA monitors with the possibility of upgrading to digital in the future.

by yeukhon 11y ago

icebraining 11y ago

$100 for an USB power adapter, an SD card and an HDMI cable? You got ripped off. You can get the three for less than $20. 16GB Kingston card: $5.26 AmazonBasics USB charger (2 Amp): $5.99 AmazonBasics high-speed HDMI cable: $4.82

yeukhon 11y ago
It reads " the final cost probably came at about $100", which means including model B+, shipping cost and everything.
- icebraining 11y ago
  Sorry. That said, it's still way too much. Adafruit sells the B+ with tax + shipping for $40.26. Adding up, it's still less than $60.
  - yeukhon 11y ago
    1. Because it shows how much one have to spend for the more expensive model. 2. I don't not know Adafruit, but most people I know got their PI from one of the partners. If we got ripped off, that's a fault on RPF (https://www.raspberrypi.org/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/). I actually mixed up model B and model B+, I owned both. Model B is the more recent one is more expensive. But I got both when they first came out, so equally just ordering from the approved distributor the cost was pretty much the same. I am not going to argue cent by cent with you, the final bill for each setup came around $100, and at the time they were the cheapest and most reliable. Also, there have been many reports on which SD card is better for the model, so I didn't just pick a random cheapest SD card. Your mileage varies. Whether I got ripped off any $10, $20 or not, the end result is still the same. The overall cost is larger.
    - wolfgke 11y ago
      > I actually mixed up model B and model B+, I owned both. Model B is the more recent one is more expensive. "Raspberry Pi Model B+" (renamed to "Raspberry Pi 1 Model B+", when Raspberry Pi 2 came out) is more recent than "Raspberry Pi (1) Model B": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
gPphX 11y ago
* Raspberry Pi Zero * $0.74 USB OTG Cable -Adapter -Converter | Free Shipping by eBay * $1.49 HDMI cable HDMI mini -Adapter | Free Shipping by eBay * $1.17 USB AC Charger 2A -eu -uk | Free Shipping by eBay * $3.41 Kingston 4 GB Flash Memory Card SDC10/4GBSP | Free Shipping by Amazon = $6.81 Peripheral Cost
- vardump 11y ago
  Watch out for cheap USB chargers. They can be a safety risk. Google "cheap usb charger teardown". For example http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-ap...

icebraining 11y ago

If you have more than one Pi, you need another SD card, another charger, another HDMI cable, so again you are back to full price. There should really be just a way to connect all PIs to a single USB-powered portable drive. SD card is such as poor choice and a poor design decision choice. Sorry. I completely disagree. SD cards are dirt cheap nowadays - you can get a pack of five 8GB Sandisk cards for ~$16 on Amazon - and they allow the users to carry their own computer home instead of being stuck in the classroom.

yeukhon 11y ago
<strike>You do know the price is a discount for Prime right?</strike> And the price is never the same day to day. [edit] I take it back. The price is for both prime and non-prime.

derekp7 11y ago

Isn't an HDMI to DVI cable a passive cable? That is, are there any DVI monitors that don't also support HDMI over the same connector? Or is that only a standard on newer monitors?

LukeShu 11y ago
DVI is interesting, because it supports both analog and digital signaling. The analog signaling (DVI-A) is the same signal as VGA, and can be done with a passive adapter; the digital (DVI-D) is the same signal HDMI, and can be done with a passive cable. So, there are monitors that support DVI-A but not DVI-D, and therefore no HDMI; though these are rare.
nevdka 11y ago
DVI uses the same digital video signal as HDMI, and passive cables or adapters make it easy to switch between them. I have an older graphics card, one with 1 HDMI port, 1 VGA port, and 1 DVI port. I've got the HDMI and DVI plugged into 2 HDMI monitors. DVI can also carry an analog video signal. The DVI out on my graphics card can use a passive cable/adapter to VGA. I think DVI was intended as an intermediate standard, so people could use their existing VGA monitors with the possibility of upgrading to digital in the future.