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The lede: residents of Louisiana, Minnesota, and New Hampshire (and New York next year) are not able to use their drivers licenses for various purposes, includi

The lede: residents of Louisiana, Minnesota, and New Hampshire (and New York next year) are not able to use their drivers licenses for various purposes, including domestic air travel, due to the failure of these states to require proof of residency for their issue. The article stretches this idea over several paragraphs of fear-mongering; fretting over the possible Orwellian abuses a tyrannical Internal Revenue Service could impose on mild-mannered tax delinquents.

striking 11y ago
Thank you for digging up the lede. If only this were part of the article rather than in a Hacker News comment section. I can only imagine the number of people that will be mislead.
dang 11y ago
Wow, that's bad even by the usual low standard. Care to suggest an accurate, neutral title so HN's conscience, at least, can be clear? I'm impressed with how good the top subthreads here turned out to be, with such bad seed material.
- deleted 11y ago
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- carboncopy 11y ago
  I suppose "Residents of LA, MN, NH, and NY must use alternate forms of ID to fly."?
bbanyc 11y ago
I can't imagine this actually happening. REAL ID has been extremely unpopular from the start and the deadline has been repeatedly pushed back since most states are unwilling to comply. Expect another last-minute delay if there's still a state without a waiver.
- carboncopy 11y ago
  Most states? It's 4. The original proposal of a pan-North-American shared database and other genuinely suboptimal ideas were scrapped in the revision a decade ago. You're probably thinking of this original iteration when you describe its unpopularity.
  - bbanyc 11y ago
    According to http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief most states are noncompliant and have received extensions to their deadlines to comply, including 7 of the 10 largest.
    - carboncopy 11y ago
      I stand corrected. Thanks for responding.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> The lede: residents of Louisiana, Minnesota, and New Hampshire (and New York next year) are not able to use their drivers licenses for various purposes, including domestic air travel, due to the failure of these states to require proof of residency for their issue. Which is false. They are able to use them for all purposes now (except for Minnesota, non-enhanced driver's licenses), because while the Phases of real ID prior to domestic air transport are in effect, all of those states -- and many others that are not fully compliant with Real ID -- have extensions [either granted after review, or shorter extensions while an application is reviewed] into 2016 to allow their licenses to be used for all purposes.) Minnesota (which also offers Enhanced Driver's Licenses which can be used for all RealID purpose and as border-crossing documents) and American Samoa [0] are the only jurisdictions that are out of compliance with Real ID for normal ID, and which therefore can't be used for RealID covered purposes which are in effect (domestic air transport isn't in effect yet, so IDs from those jurisdictions can still be used for that purpose.) If DHS schedules Phase 4 -- which it has said it will not do with less than 120 days notice, and no earlier than 2016, and only after review of current readiness -- then licenses from jurisdictions (mostly states) that are not compliant and are not covered by a granted extension could not be used for domestic air transport, just as they can't be used for other RealID covered purposes (mostly access for federal facilities, with an exception for access for the purpose of applying for benefits) now. But it seems unlikely that they will schedule Phase 4 until all jurisdictions are ready, anyway. [0] http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief

striking 11y ago

Thank you for digging up the lede. If only this were part of the article rather than in a Hacker News comment section. I can only imagine the number of people that will be mislead.

dang 11y ago

Wow, that's bad even by the usual low standard. Care to suggest an accurate, neutral title so HN's conscience, at least, can be clear? I'm impressed with how good the top subthreads here turned out to be, with such bad seed material.

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carboncopy 11y ago
I suppose "Residents of LA, MN, NH, and NY must use alternate forms of ID to fly."?

bbanyc 11y ago

I can't imagine this actually happening. REAL ID has been extremely unpopular from the start and the deadline has been repeatedly pushed back since most states are unwilling to comply. Expect another last-minute delay if there's still a state without a waiver.

carboncopy 11y ago
Most states? It's 4. The original proposal of a pan-North-American shared database and other genuinely suboptimal ideas were scrapped in the revision a decade ago. You're probably thinking of this original iteration when you describe its unpopularity.
- bbanyc 11y ago
  According to http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief most states are noncompliant and have received extensions to their deadlines to comply, including 7 of the 10 largest.
  - carboncopy 11y ago
    I stand corrected. Thanks for responding.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> The lede: residents of Louisiana, Minnesota, and New Hampshire (and New York next year) are not able to use their drivers licenses for various purposes, including domestic air travel, due to the failure of these states to require proof of residency for their issue. Which is false. They are able to use them for all purposes now (except for Minnesota, non-enhanced driver's licenses), because while the Phases of real ID prior to domestic air transport are in effect, all of those states -- and many others that are not fully compliant with Real ID -- have extensions [either granted after review, or shorter extensions while an application is reviewed] into 2016 to allow their licenses to be used for all purposes.) Minnesota (which also offers Enhanced Driver's Licenses which can be used for all RealID purpose and as border-crossing documents) and American Samoa [0] are the only jurisdictions that are out of compliance with Real ID for normal ID, and which therefore can't be used for RealID covered purposes which are in effect (domestic air transport isn't in effect yet, so IDs from those jurisdictions can still be used for that purpose.) If DHS schedules Phase 4 -- which it has said it will not do with less than 120 days notice, and no earlier than 2016, and only after review of current readiness -- then licenses from jurisdictions (mostly states) that are not compliant and are not covered by a granted extension could not be used for domestic air transport, just as they can't be used for other RealID covered purposes (mostly access for federal facilities, with an exception for access for the purpose of applying for benefits) now. But it seems unlikely that they will schedule Phase 4 until all jurisdictions are ready, anyway. [0] http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-enforcement-brief