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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_%28programming_language%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_%28programming_language%... > Development on Swift began in

by dalke 11y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_%28programming_language%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_%28programming_language%... > Development on Swift began in 2010 by Chris Lattner, with the eventual collaboration of many other programmers at Apple. Swift took language ideas "from Objective-C, Rust, Haskell, Ruby, Python, C#, CLU, and far too many others to list". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotlin_%28programming_language%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotlin_%28programming_language... > In July 2011 JetBrains unveiled Project Kotlin, a new language for the JVM, which had been under development for a year ... Influenced by Java, Scala, Groovy, C#, Gosu

krupal55 11y ago
So, Kotlin development started before Swift. yeah?!
- dalke 11y ago
  Maybe. Or maybe not. The data I presented is insufficient. Kotlin initial commit 8 Nov 2010 - https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/commit/369b1974782b821e44b7aa6cd68e2e41eb2ba036 https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/commit/369b1974782b821e4... . Note that this does not mean it's the first work done on the project, only the first commit. http://www.nondot.org/sabre/ http://www.nondot.org/sabre/ says "I started work on the Swift Programming Language (wikipedia) in July of 2010. I implemented much of the basic language structure, with only a few people knowing of its existence. A few other (amazing) people started contributing in earnest late in 2011, and it became a major focus for the Apple Developer Tools group in July 2013." In any case, it's clear that neither was influenced by the other, at least during initial development.
  - dalke 11y ago
    And jtwebman at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10671532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10671532 points out that 'Swift's first commits were in Jul 17, 2010', with a link to https://github.com/apple/swift/commits/master?page=821 https://github.com/apple/swift/commits/master?page=821 .

by dalke 11y ago

krupal55 11y ago

So, Kotlin development started before Swift. yeah?!

dalke 11y ago
Maybe. Or maybe not. The data I presented is insufficient. Kotlin initial commit 8 Nov 2010 - https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/commit/369b1974782b821e44b7aa6cd68e2e41eb2ba036 https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/commit/369b1974782b821e4... . Note that this does not mean it's the first work done on the project, only the first commit. http://www.nondot.org/sabre/ http://www.nondot.org/sabre/ says "I started work on the Swift Programming Language (wikipedia) in July of 2010. I implemented much of the basic language structure, with only a few people knowing of its existence. A few other (amazing) people started contributing in earnest late in 2011, and it became a major focus for the Apple Developer Tools group in July 2013." In any case, it's clear that neither was influenced by the other, at least during initial development.
- dalke 11y ago
  And jtwebman at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10671532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10671532 points out that 'Swift's first commits were in Jul 17, 2010', with a link to https://github.com/apple/swift/commits/master?page=821 https://github.com/apple/swift/commits/master?page=821 .