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Firefox is not the only thing that Mozilla does that is worth supporting. Their Mozilla Research projects, like Daala, Rust and Servo, are really neat and I be

Firefox is not the only thing that Mozilla does that is worth supporting. Their Mozilla Research projects, like Daala, Rust and Servo, are really neat and I believe deserve support, so I don't want Mozilla to go away. It is however true that some strange decisions were made in the past year, like the forced pocket integration as well as stopping the development of Persona before it was even ready etc., but they do work on interesting stuff nonetheless and are often the only major player in W3C to be on the right side of many issues, so I still think that they deserve my donations and hopefully yours too - nothing good would come from Mozilla failing.

reddotX 11y ago
i like mozilla but they are more concerned about bringing firefox to black boxes like iphone than open platforms like Ubuntu Phone
- drakenot 11y ago
  If I were in charge of project priorities at Mozilla I would make that same decision all day long. The potential user impact for capturing even a small percentage of iOS users would dwarf the total number of Ubuntu Phone users. I'm not saying I would be against working on an app for Ubuntu Phone, but if resources were constrained and I had to make a choice, it would be an easy decision for me.
- toyg 11y ago
  It's an old diatribe. Pre-Firefox Mozilla poured a lot of effort in the (complex and temperamental) Linux market, with little to show for it. Firefox was very much a Windows-first project and it paid off immensely. Mozilla walk a tight rope.
- manigandham 11y ago
  You say that like it's a bad thing?
erikpukinskis 11y ago
It's also worth remembering that Firefox WAS a research project. At the time, general consensus was that web browsers would be just a part of a suite of content-specific internet browsers: email, news, calendar, etc... The fact that you could ditch all of that and just render web pages better and gain market share was a surprise.
- BrendanEich 11y ago
  No, the Mozilla suite was based on Netscape 4, the "Communicator" suite -- totally '90s. We did Firefox as a pirate ship within Netscape and made it the lead product/project when we spun out Mozilla Foundation. See the roadmap update that Dave Hyatt and I wrote in 2003: http://www-archive.mozilla.org/roadmap/roadmap-02-Apr-2003.html http://www-archive.mozilla.org/roadmap/roadmap-02-Apr-2003.h... The Mozilla suite had become SeaMonkey and was a separate and tertiary project (after Thunderbird, after Firefox). This was not "research" (I'm a founder of Mozilla Research along with Andreas Gal and Dave Herman, btw). This was our one and only shot at making a come-back. By 2003, the '90s suiteware craze was over.

reddotX 11y ago

i like mozilla but they are more concerned about bringing firefox to black boxes like iphone than open platforms like Ubuntu Phone

drakenot 11y ago
If I were in charge of project priorities at Mozilla I would make that same decision all day long. The potential user impact for capturing even a small percentage of iOS users would dwarf the total number of Ubuntu Phone users. I'm not saying I would be against working on an app for Ubuntu Phone, but if resources were constrained and I had to make a choice, it would be an easy decision for me.
toyg 11y ago
It's an old diatribe. Pre-Firefox Mozilla poured a lot of effort in the (complex and temperamental) Linux market, with little to show for it. Firefox was very much a Windows-first project and it paid off immensely. Mozilla walk a tight rope.
manigandham 11y ago
You say that like it's a bad thing?

erikpukinskis 11y ago

It's also worth remembering that Firefox WAS a research project. At the time, general consensus was that web browsers would be just a part of a suite of content-specific internet browsers: email, news, calendar, etc... The fact that you could ditch all of that and just render web pages better and gain market share was a surprise.

BrendanEich 11y ago
No, the Mozilla suite was based on Netscape 4, the "Communicator" suite -- totally '90s. We did Firefox as a pirate ship within Netscape and made it the lead product/project when we spun out Mozilla Foundation. See the roadmap update that Dave Hyatt and I wrote in 2003: http://www-archive.mozilla.org/roadmap/roadmap-02-Apr-2003.html http://www-archive.mozilla.org/roadmap/roadmap-02-Apr-2003.h... The Mozilla suite had become SeaMonkey and was a separate and tertiary project (after Thunderbird, after Firefox). This was not "research" (I'm a founder of Mozilla Research along with Andreas Gal and Dave Herman, btw). This was our one and only shot at making a come-back. By 2003, the '90s suiteware craze was over.