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I heared from several Mozilla volunteers that it's not anymore the geek-friendly organisation it once was, but a corporate behemoth run by men in suits. After

I heared from several Mozilla volunteers that it's not anymore the geek-friendly organisation it once was, but a corporate behemoth run by men in suits. After they pushed out Brendan Eich, there's no hope for change. Rest in peace, Mozilla.

striking 11y ago
Check out their GlassDoor reviews if you need any further proof. [1] Lack of focus is the biggest concern. It's a shame, really. 1: https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm (access with Google referrer to get all the reviews)
- e15ctr0n 11y ago
  The most interesting part about the Glassdoor reviews is the trend over time.[1] Overall Ratings Trend 4.0 Dec 2013 3.7 Jun 2014 2.9 Dec 2014 3.3 Jun 2015 3.2 Overall Ratings 2.7 Senior Management 3.2 Career Opportunities 3.5 Culture & Values 3.9 Comp & Benefits 3.9 Work/Life Balance 43% Positive Business Outlook 55% Recommend to a friend 62% CEO Approval The other part of the story is reflected in the number of jobs open: 39 (not counting the 16 internships).[2] [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm#trends-overallRating https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm... [2] https://careers.mozilla.org/listings/ https://careers.mozilla.org/listings/
  - magicalist 11y ago
    It shouldn't be totally dismissed, but GlassDoor suffers from the same disease of all review systems: a pissed off engineer is far more likely to write a negative review to warn others and/or stick it to their former employer than a happy one would think to go and write a positive review. (For a sample size of one: I'm happy at my current employer and couldn't possibly be bothered to go put a rating for them on glassdoor. Moreover I find sites like that are often more in the parasitic class of the internet anyways, so not sure I want to donate my time and information to help them prosper in the first place.) You're slightly better off than with a random internet poll in that the pollee is at least claiming to have first hand information on the subject they're answering questions about, but it's still hopelessly biased and you shouldn't even try to reason about trends or comparisons from that data. Better to take individual statements from the testimonies on there (with a huge grain of salt) and leave it at that.
    - striking 11y ago
      GlassDoor shuts off your access to the site if you don't provide it a review and salary information. (Unless you're a cheater and pretend to have come across it through a Google search, like myself.) In this way, it is less likely that GlassDoor experiences this problem compared to the average review system; anyone who uses it must participate, not just angry people.
necessity 11y ago
I thought about donating once, but not after that and all the other employee harassment and sjw bigotry.
- yedava 11y ago
  The fact that Mozilla seems to rile opponents of social justice makes me think of donating to them.
  - BlackAura 11y ago
    Agreed. They annoy all the types of people that I'd much rather not work with, and I honestly believe that Mozilla is better off without them. I don't care how irreplaceable they think they are. Nobody's irreplaceable, and there is plenty of talent and skill out there that isn't associated with such noxious people. Mozilla's hardly alone here. Plenty of other open source communities are like that. It's just they get the most flak, for some reason.
- rewqfdsa 11y ago
  No organization can simultaneously satisfy SJW strictures and be good at its original mission. What's happened to Mozilla is very sad, because its nominal mission is one I believe in too.
byuu 11y ago
Eich chose to step down due to community pressure; the board never tried to push him out. Mozilla was hemorrhaging users due to completely ignoring their concerns for years before that bigot left.
- chris_wot 11y ago
  Three of them resigned when Brendan joined the board. To say that the board never tried to push him out sort of glosses over that point.
  - byuu 11y ago
    They all said they didn't resign because of Eich. Sure, they could have been lying. But I'd rather not get into divining intentions and back room discussions none of us were privy to. I'm all for freedom of speech and quite opposed to the recent college campus behavior of throwing huge fits over anything remotely politically incorrect. Anyone is free to think whatever they want about my marriage and that of others, but the law should always treat people equally. When Eich donated money (and thus most certainly voted) to literally strip existing equal rights away from a minority, it ceased to be about just speech and opinion, and instead became something quite vindictive and nasty. I'm not going to get into whether it was right to pressure a company over a certain number of employees and/or when they reach a certain position in the company; I'm just going to say that I don't care for Eich's donation to Prop 8 (nor for his design of Javascript, but that's a separate discussion.)
    - rewqfdsa 11y ago
      This idea that certain political positions are about "rights", so we can't talk about them, vote against them, or donate to organizations opposing them, is sickening. Imagine your being ousted from your job for donating to the EFF, because the EFF supports encryption and is used by terrorists? Your donation to the EFF is literally killing babies. Can't you see you're abusing the language of equal rights to demonize your political opponents? Donating to a mainstream cause is a perfectly normal thing to do. I hope that society never moves against any of your current positions and retrospectively calls you a monster.

striking 11y ago

Check out their GlassDoor reviews if you need any further proof. [1] Lack of focus is the biggest concern. It's a shame, really. 1: https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm (access with Google referrer to get all the reviews)

e15ctr0n 11y ago
The most interesting part about the Glassdoor reviews is the trend over time.[1] Overall Ratings Trend 4.0 Dec 2013 3.7 Jun 2014 2.9 Dec 2014 3.3 Jun 2015 3.2 Overall Ratings 2.7 Senior Management 3.2 Career Opportunities 3.5 Culture & Values 3.9 Comp & Benefits 3.9 Work/Life Balance 43% Positive Business Outlook 55% Recommend to a friend 62% CEO Approval The other part of the story is reflected in the number of jobs open: 39 (not counting the 16 internships).[2] [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm#trends-overallRating https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Mozilla-Reviews-E19129.htm... [2] https://careers.mozilla.org/listings/ https://careers.mozilla.org/listings/
- magicalist 11y ago
  It shouldn't be totally dismissed, but GlassDoor suffers from the same disease of all review systems: a pissed off engineer is far more likely to write a negative review to warn others and/or stick it to their former employer than a happy one would think to go and write a positive review. (For a sample size of one: I'm happy at my current employer and couldn't possibly be bothered to go put a rating for them on glassdoor. Moreover I find sites like that are often more in the parasitic class of the internet anyways, so not sure I want to donate my time and information to help them prosper in the first place.) You're slightly better off than with a random internet poll in that the pollee is at least claiming to have first hand information on the subject they're answering questions about, but it's still hopelessly biased and you shouldn't even try to reason about trends or comparisons from that data. Better to take individual statements from the testimonies on there (with a huge grain of salt) and leave it at that.
  - striking 11y ago
    GlassDoor shuts off your access to the site if you don't provide it a review and salary information. (Unless you're a cheater and pretend to have come across it through a Google search, like myself.) In this way, it is less likely that GlassDoor experiences this problem compared to the average review system; anyone who uses it must participate, not just angry people.

necessity 11y ago

I thought about donating once, but not after that and all the other employee harassment and sjw bigotry.

yedava 11y ago
The fact that Mozilla seems to rile opponents of social justice makes me think of donating to them.
- BlackAura 11y ago
  Agreed. They annoy all the types of people that I'd much rather not work with, and I honestly believe that Mozilla is better off without them. I don't care how irreplaceable they think they are. Nobody's irreplaceable, and there is plenty of talent and skill out there that isn't associated with such noxious people. Mozilla's hardly alone here. Plenty of other open source communities are like that. It's just they get the most flak, for some reason.
rewqfdsa 11y ago
No organization can simultaneously satisfy SJW strictures and be good at its original mission. What's happened to Mozilla is very sad, because its nominal mission is one I believe in too.

byuu 11y ago

Eich chose to step down due to community pressure; the board never tried to push him out. Mozilla was hemorrhaging users due to completely ignoring their concerns for years before that bigot left.

chris_wot 11y ago
Three of them resigned when Brendan joined the board. To say that the board never tried to push him out sort of glosses over that point.
- byuu 11y ago
  They all said they didn't resign because of Eich. Sure, they could have been lying. But I'd rather not get into divining intentions and back room discussions none of us were privy to. I'm all for freedom of speech and quite opposed to the recent college campus behavior of throwing huge fits over anything remotely politically incorrect. Anyone is free to think whatever they want about my marriage and that of others, but the law should always treat people equally. When Eich donated money (and thus most certainly voted) to literally strip existing equal rights away from a minority, it ceased to be about just speech and opinion, and instead became something quite vindictive and nasty. I'm not going to get into whether it was right to pressure a company over a certain number of employees and/or when they reach a certain position in the company; I'm just going to say that I don't care for Eich's donation to Prop 8 (nor for his design of Javascript, but that's a separate discussion.)
  - rewqfdsa 11y ago
    This idea that certain political positions are about "rights", so we can't talk about them, vote against them, or donate to organizations opposing them, is sickening. Imagine your being ousted from your job for donating to the EFF, because the EFF supports encryption and is used by terrorists? Your donation to the EFF is literally killing babies. Can't you see you're abusing the language of equal rights to demonize your political opponents? Donating to a mainstream cause is a perfectly normal thing to do. I hope that society never moves against any of your current positions and retrospectively calls you a monster.