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Passports Required for Some U.S. Domestic Travel in 2016?
- slxh 11y agowow... next thing you know, you'll have to stay home if you owe taxes?
- drunkcatsdgaf 11y agoTill they take your home.
- diamondtrim 11y agoNah, they'll reinstate debtors prison and you won't have to worry about going anywhere ever again.
- slxh 11y agoprison is what I was really thinking ...
- craigds 11y agoIn NZ, you don't need ID at all to fly domestic. Just sayin'.
- pcl 11y agoLast time I flew domestically in NZ (Wellington to Blenheim, 6 or 7 years ago), there weren't any security checkpoints at all for the domestic terminal. The only checkpoint was at the gate, when the flight staff checked that I had a boarding pass.
- Swizec 11y agoAs a dirty foreigner, I already need my passport to travel domestically within the US. I think it makes sense. Passpprts are a lot more secure than US identity cards. It's kinda silly how little security measures you guys have on your IDs. Or have I only been seeing old ones? Do new ones have any of that shiny stuff?
- chrisseaton 11y agoWhat are US identity cards? I didn't think they hard any except for the passport.
- Swizec 11y agoRight, driver's license. Plastic card that is your ID -> identity card. :)
- chrisseaton 11y agoWhat do you do for ID if you don't have a car or are medically disqualified so don't have a licence?
- nrr 11y agoYou still go to the drivers' services facility and ask them for a non-driver ID card.
- jeffmould 11y agoAll states issue id cards for people who don't want, qualify, or can't have a driver's license. Most ID cards look/feel the same as a driver's license and are typically issued by the department of motor vehicles or similar licensing agency, but state specifically that they are for identification purposes only. For example in Maryland: http://www.mva.maryland.gov/drivers/apply/id-card.htm http://www.mva.maryland.gov/drivers/apply/id-card.htm
- saltylicorice 11y agoEvery state I've lived in has had photo IDs available for those without drivers licenses. They're still generally issued through the state's department of motor vehicles. Here's CA for example: https://dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/dl/dl_info#idcard https://dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_cont...
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- GavinMcG 11y agoForbes is exaggerating to say that passports will be required. There are alternate forms of ID (such as a military ID) and even those who do not have government-issued ID can verify their identity in other ways. The TSA webpage on identification [1] lists acceptable alternatives, and says that without "proper" ID, "TSA officers will request you present two other forms of ID bearing your name. One of the items must bear your name and other identifying information such as photo, address, phone number, social security number or date of birth." [1] https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
- limeyx 11y agoSeems easier to just show the passport than have to sign up for a couple of tours in Iraq/Syria though...
- carboncopy 11y agoThe lede: residents of Louisiana, Minnesota, and New Hampshire (and New York next year) are not able to use their drivers licenses for various purposes, including domestic air travel, due to the failure of these states to require proof of residency for their issue. The article stretches this idea over several paragraphs of fear-mongering; fretting over the possible Orwellian abuses a tyrannical Internal Revenue Service could impose on mild-mannered tax delinquents.
- striking 11y agoThank you for digging up the lede. If only this were part of the article rather than in a Hacker News comment section. I can only imagine the number of people that will be mislead.
- dang 11y agoWow, that's bad even by the usual low standard. Care to suggest an accurate, neutral title so HN's conscience, at least, can be clear? I'm impressed with how good the top subthreads here turned out to be, with such bad seed material.
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- carboncopy 11y agoI suppose "Residents of LA, MN, NH, and NY must use alternate forms of ID to fly."?
- bbanyc 11y agoI can't imagine this actually happening. REAL ID has been extremely unpopular from the start and the deadline has been repeatedly pushed back since most states are unwilling to comply. Expect another last-minute delay if there's still a state without a waiver.
- carboncopy 11y agoMost states? It's 4. The original proposal of a pan-North-American shared database and other genuinely suboptimal ideas were scrapped in the revision a decade ago. You're probably thinking of this original iteration when you describe its unpopularity.
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- patcheudor 11y agoAn ID is not required for any US domestic travel, never has been, never will be. Providing ID makes your travel through TSA check points go smoother, but it's absolutely, unquestionably not a requirement. I've traveled numerous times without ID and have never had any significant issues or delays and don't expect any in the future either. There are obviously those who insist it is a requirement or will soon be a requirement, but that's very silly. Imagine traveling from Oregon to Maine, loosing your wallet, having no ID and then being effectively stuck in Maine until you can prove to the local DMV you are who you say you are so they can issue you an ID. Absolutely ridiculous. Yes, the TSA obviously wants everyone to think they need ID because having thousands more people going through checkpoints everyday without proper ID will tax the system. However, the Real ID legislation requires all agencies who require Real ID to have other mechanisms in place to deal with individuals who don't have identification, for obvious reasons.
- GavinMcG 11y agoTo be fair, the TSA website does say that "If your identity cannot be verified, you will not be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint." https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
- patcheudor 11y agoAnd at the bottom of the page: "In the event you arrive at the airport without proper ID, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly." Every time I've done it, they ask me a few questions and I get a pat-down which is no big deal anyway since I never go through their scanner anyway.
- TallGuyShort 11y agoI almost had to do this because of a problem with my newly-renewed license. I was told (by the TSA) to arrive several hours early with as much documentation as I could expecting to fill out a lot of paperwork and be interviewed. In the end I got my license situation resolved in time, but it sounded like a huge deal and I'm curious about more details of your experience has been having actually done it..
- such_a_casual 11y agoThis is totally fucking illegal. As Americans we have the right to travel our own country without someone asking for our papers. The article doesn't even acknowledge this basic constitutional right.
- droithomme 11y agoNot anymore as this regulation demonstrates.
- such_a_casual 11y agoThe article is just sensationalism. All it really says is that the TSA may ask for a different form of ID if your state isn't adhering to standards that they have no constitutional requirement to meet. But instead of being honest about that, it dishonestly leads you to believe that you will need to use a Passport as the alternative way of identifying yourself.
- dogma1138 11y agoFear of a federal citizen database isn't social security kinda is just that?