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What you describe (people in positions of power telling lies to get out from under bad behavior) seems so common these days that it really makes me wonder how w

by e40 11y ago

What you describe (people in positions of power telling lies to get out from under bad behavior) seems so common these days that it really makes me wonder how we got here. How did truth and justice get demoted so far, and how did we create so many people that can clearly sleep at night after these lies?

tcj_phx 11y ago
> How did truth and justice get demoted so far, and how did we create so many people that can clearly sleep at night after these lies? Everyone at the hospital thought their behavior was justified. My brother said something about the foolishness of getting in an altercation with $10/hour security guards. Eventually their insurance company is probably going to intervene to help rewrite their policies & procedures.
- protomyth 11y ago
  > Eventually their insurance company is probably going to intervene to help rewrite their policies & procedures. Sadly, that's the entity that actually has the power to force these institutions to stop doing dumb things.
gnaritas 11y ago
> seems so common these days that it really makes me wonder how we got here. How did truth and justice get demoted so far, and how did we create so many people that can clearly sleep at night after these lies? I think the answer is simply that we've always been here and you're just coming to realize the truth and justice propaganda was bullshit all along.
- mr_luc 11y ago
  "We've always been here" is true, in that even in countries that enjoy relatively good justice systems have people who fall through the cracks ... and people with power at every level for whom the theoretical good functioning of the justice system is a terrible nuisance. "We've always been here" is also false in the sense that, of course, things used to be quite a lot worse everywhere, and that the current rule of law in many countries today would be considered utopian by the people who died in worse periods of human history. Which point of view is more beneficial for society to embrace? Hands down, I think it's "truth and justice propaganda was BS." It's in society's best interests to watch everyone with power like a hawk.
  - gnaritas 11y ago
    > and that the current rule of law in many countries today would be considered Utopian by the people who died in worse periods of human history. Which while absolutely true, makes it no less corrupt. Better doesn't mean good. Less corrupt than before is still corrupt. > It's in society's best interests to watch everyone with power like a hawk. More importantly, that that power be continually forced to justify itself else the power be removed.

by e40 11y ago

tcj_phx 11y ago

> How did truth and justice get demoted so far, and how did we create so many people that can clearly sleep at night after these lies? Everyone at the hospital thought their behavior was justified. My brother said something about the foolishness of getting in an altercation with $10/hour security guards. Eventually their insurance company is probably going to intervene to help rewrite their policies & procedures.

protomyth 11y ago
> Eventually their insurance company is probably going to intervene to help rewrite their policies & procedures. Sadly, that's the entity that actually has the power to force these institutions to stop doing dumb things.

gnaritas 11y ago

> seems so common these days that it really makes me wonder how we got here. How did truth and justice get demoted so far, and how did we create so many people that can clearly sleep at night after these lies? I think the answer is simply that we've always been here and you're just coming to realize the truth and justice propaganda was bullshit all along.

mr_luc 11y ago
"We've always been here" is true, in that even in countries that enjoy relatively good justice systems have people who fall through the cracks ... and people with power at every level for whom the theoretical good functioning of the justice system is a terrible nuisance. "We've always been here" is also false in the sense that, of course, things used to be quite a lot worse everywhere, and that the current rule of law in many countries today would be considered utopian by the people who died in worse periods of human history. Which point of view is more beneficial for society to embrace? Hands down, I think it's "truth and justice propaganda was BS." It's in society's best interests to watch everyone with power like a hawk.
- gnaritas 11y ago
  > and that the current rule of law in many countries today would be considered Utopian by the people who died in worse periods of human history. Which while absolutely true, makes it no less corrupt. Better doesn't mean good. Less corrupt than before is still corrupt. > It's in society's best interests to watch everyone with power like a hawk. More importantly, that that power be continually forced to justify itself else the power be removed.