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> By contrast, Arab countries had no local beacon of democracy to guide them during their recent revolutions—apart from Israel, to whose democratic virtues the

> By contrast, Arab countries had no local beacon of democracy to guide them during their recent revolutions—apart from Israel, to whose democratic virtues they seem strangely blind. How condescending and an utterly false statement! If it weren't for the "democratic" Israel and its deep state and ruling class in the military and security establishment with their close ties and entrenched interests with the Egyptian military, we would be having a nascent and growing democracy on our hands here in Egypt unlike the oppressive military dictatorship approved by Bibi and his henchmen. The first - but not the last - Egyptian experience with democracy faltered from an external standpoint due to the confluence of reactionary powers from Gulf monarchies such as UAE and Saudi Arabia and Israel on one side, with the repressive and tyrannical Egyptian military, and on the other side, the equally regressive powers albeit opening to electoral democracy, like Turkey and Qatar with the Muslim Brotherhood, thus turning the whole local political game into a regional power struggle between two fierce camps and ruining it for us aspiring citizens for a democrtic rule.

eli_gottlieb 11y ago
As an Israeli, I just want to let you know: no, we don't support your government. We basically consider every single government in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and basically every other Arab country to be an enemy who will only think twice about invading us because the IDF would soundly beat them. Paranoid? Hell yes, and I should say triple-yes because I am a Meretz voter. But it's got one virtue: whenever someone in the Arab world says, "El-Sisi, or Abdullah, or Assad, or Da3esh, are tools of the Israelis", they are dead wrong. Fuck, if Abbas at least was our tool, we could get him to quit with the anti-Jewish incitement and accede to a damned peace deal.
- gotchange 11y ago
  > because the IDF would soundly beat them. Didn't Hezbollah in 2000 send your valiant IDF packing from Southern Lebanon? Didn't Hamas make your gallant IDF withdraw unilaterally from Gaza in 2005? Showing some humility would not be a bad idea. - The military backed regime voted for Israel in the UN for the first time ever[0] If this is not rapprochement and normalization for relations, I don't know frankly what it really is. - The head of the Coptic Orthodox Church is visiting Jerusalem breaking the boycott imposed by his predecessor in visiting Israel till a fair solution for the Palestinians is reached and a lasting peace is materialized. Those two obvious incidents above indicate that yes the military-backed regime in Egypt is on good terms with Bibi's govt and they're more than allies on a lot of issues and denying that is not a smart thing to do. [0]: http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2015/11/01/egypts-voting-of-israel-into-un-space-body-sparks-wave-of-criticism/ http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2015/11/01/egypts-voting-of-is...

eli_gottlieb 11y ago

As an Israeli, I just want to let you know: no, we don't support your government. We basically consider every single government in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and basically every other Arab country to be an enemy who will only think twice about invading us because the IDF would soundly beat them. Paranoid? Hell yes, and I should say triple-yes because I am a Meretz voter. But it's got one virtue: whenever someone in the Arab world says, "El-Sisi, or Abdullah, or Assad, or Da3esh, are tools of the Israelis", they are dead wrong. Fuck, if Abbas at least was our tool, we could get him to quit with the anti-Jewish incitement and accede to a damned peace deal.

gotchange 11y ago
> because the IDF would soundly beat them. Didn't Hezbollah in 2000 send your valiant IDF packing from Southern Lebanon? Didn't Hamas make your gallant IDF withdraw unilaterally from Gaza in 2005? Showing some humility would not be a bad idea. - The military backed regime voted for Israel in the UN for the first time ever[0] If this is not rapprochement and normalization for relations, I don't know frankly what it really is. - The head of the Coptic Orthodox Church is visiting Jerusalem breaking the boycott imposed by his predecessor in visiting Israel till a fair solution for the Palestinians is reached and a lasting peace is materialized. Those two obvious incidents above indicate that yes the military-backed regime in Egypt is on good terms with Bibi's govt and they're more than allies on a lot of issues and denying that is not a smart thing to do. [0]: http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2015/11/01/egypts-voting-of-israel-into-un-space-body-sparks-wave-of-criticism/ http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2015/11/01/egypts-voting-of-is...