I think people can write good code in PHP and JS and I think those standards for what is "good" have been elevated a lot in the past 5 years. PHP and JS still s

I think people can write good code in PHP and JS and I think those standards for what is "good" have been elevated a lot in the past 5 years. PHP and JS still seem to carry this tarnished reputation with a lot of people and so many (especially in IRC) immediately discredit it with some hyperbole. Yeah both languages have their shortcomings, but there are so many patterns in place to use that can make the code well structured, perform well, maintain well, etc. If there is one thing that drives me up the wall a bit, it's people who go on sites like this one and internalize all the PHP and JS hate without hardly ever using them. By the time they have to at some point they already hate it so much that any part of the language that is "different" is now a negative quality.