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You are very optimistic or very fast-learner. I remember classmates during my master's writing shitty code even after 5 years of CS studies (and I'm not the bes

You are very optimistic or very fast-learner. I remember classmates during my master's writing shitty code even after 5 years of CS studies (and I'm not the best ninja-coder there is).

BetaCygni 11y ago
I'm not talking about myself, those are my experiences with hiring developers. During CS you don't learn how to write code, you're just learning about architecture and algorithms ;) There is just not enough real-world practice involved.
sb8244 11y ago
I've noticed better learning in industry vs class. My guess is because of a smaller set of things to learn (best practices of employer) and 8-10 hours a day of repetition
- mrborgen 11y ago
  Yeah, I'm learning just as much as a hired front end developer as I did at my bootcamp. More narrow focus, which gets you deeper into the subjects.
eljimmy 11y ago
I've always thought a good comparison is to view computer languages as natural spoken languages. Some people are very quick to become fluent, while others, it can take years.
Glan1984 11y ago
This - Every time I hear about stories like these I cringe. I know people who have been educated in cs ad worked as full time coders for several years and some of them are barely adequate in my eyes. I'm fairly sick of these people trivializing a craft that takes decades to master just because they can copypasta some stackoverflow or github repo and make a slight tweak - I did stuff like that when I was 5 years old. Since a few years after that I learned to write real software and believe me I'm still learning alot
jghn 11y ago
Computer science isn't about programming, so one wouldn't expect that it teach people who to program well.
whiteboarder 11y ago
That's because graduate students at universities are shitty coders. CS degrees teach you how to do math, not how to be a software engineer.
klibertp 11y ago
I wonder, looking at the sibling comments, under what rock were you hiding to even expect "5 years of CS studies" to teach people to code? ;)
- enibundo 11y ago
  Well I feel sad for people like my classmates (and you?) who lost 5 years to learn to do "simple math" and learn "about algorithms"... Because under my rock, 5 years is enough to learn to code (good not VERY good), and of course learn about advanced algorithms, data structures, language design, J2EE and all the shitty stuff we use in entreprise, etc.

You are very optimistic or very fast-learner. I remember classmates during my master's writing shitty code even after 5 years of CS studies (and I'm not the best ninja-coder there is).

BetaCygni 11y ago

I'm not talking about myself, those are my experiences with hiring developers. During CS you don't learn how to write code, you're just learning about architecture and algorithms ;) There is just not enough real-world practice involved.

sb8244 11y ago

I've noticed better learning in industry vs class. My guess is because of a smaller set of things to learn (best practices of employer) and 8-10 hours a day of repetition

mrborgen 11y ago
Yeah, I'm learning just as much as a hired front end developer as I did at my bootcamp. More narrow focus, which gets you deeper into the subjects.

eljimmy 11y ago

I've always thought a good comparison is to view computer languages as natural spoken languages. Some people are very quick to become fluent, while others, it can take years.

Glan1984 11y ago

This - Every time I hear about stories like these I cringe. I know people who have been educated in cs ad worked as full time coders for several years and some of them are barely adequate in my eyes. I'm fairly sick of these people trivializing a craft that takes decades to master just because they can copypasta some stackoverflow or github repo and make a slight tweak - I did stuff like that when I was 5 years old. Since a few years after that I learned to write real software and believe me I'm still learning alot

jghn 11y ago

Computer science isn't about programming, so one wouldn't expect that it teach people who to program well.

whiteboarder 11y ago

That's because graduate students at universities are shitty coders. CS degrees teach you how to do math, not how to be a software engineer.

klibertp 11y ago

I wonder, looking at the sibling comments, under what rock were you hiding to even expect "5 years of CS studies" to teach people to code? ;)

enibundo 11y ago
Well I feel sad for people like my classmates (and you?) who lost 5 years to learn to do "simple math" and learn "about algorithms"... Because under my rock, 5 years is enough to learn to code (good not VERY good), and of course learn about advanced algorithms, data structures, language design, J2EE and all the shitty stuff we use in entreprise, etc.