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So, on one hand Microsoft is starting to become a good open source player, and then on the other it continues to abuse its users. Nope, I still won't use your

So, on one hand Microsoft is starting to become a good open source player, and then on the other it continues to abuse its users. Nope, I still won't use your products.

bitmapbrother 11y ago
If it's free you're the product. Gee, where have I heard that before? Funny, how things boomerang back to hit you in the ass.
- vetinari 11y ago
  It does not have to be free. It can be an expensive app, but still tried to play games with you. Have you checked, where your (offline) MS-Office connects, while you are working purely on offline files? Until now, it tried the following: www.microsoft.com, watson.microsoft.com, ots.optimize.webtrends.com, support.office.com, services.live.com, officeapps.live.com, live.com.akadns.net.
- thecatspaw 11y ago
  windows 10 is only free if you have a legitimate key for 8.1
  - mrec 11y ago
    What? I have a legit install of 7, and it never bloody stops nagging me to accept a free upgrade to 10.
    - J_Darnley 11y ago
      What do you mean you don't want it? Just look at the long list of features mentioned in this thread that you will get if you upgrade!
- iamsohungry 11y ago
  If you actually understood the words you were saying, you'd realize that the topic of this thread is that users are the product even though they've paid for the software. The solution to this problem is software that is free as in freedom, not snarky comments in support of MS.
vjvj 11y ago
Whose products will you use? Not Google and Microsoft sure, but even Apple has been the subject of similar accusations [1]. Then you're left with the niche stuff. If that has similar flaws you might not even know unless you (or someone in the significantly smaller user base) notice(s) it. [1] http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/your-iphone-knows-exactly-where-youve-been-and-this-is-how-t http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/your-iphone-knows-exactl...
- bluejekyll 11y ago
  It's true. But honestly, Apple has remained generally better in that three tier comparison. I haven't used MS products since 1996. It's all Linux on the server, some FreeBSD, and Apple for me. Though honestly it's only Apple because I enjoy the tight app and device integration on the user side. I've just never enjoyed the Linux/BSD desktop experience Beyond a Dev workstation.
RyanZAG 11y ago
Hey HN! Just a friendly reminder that there a lot of people who agree with you. Don't take the downvotes when you post anti-Microsoft stuff as any kind of fact and keep posting your true opinions! Microsoft really does continue to abuse users regardless of any open source they are doing. They should be praised for their open source efforts, but stuff like this sneaky backdoor data collection requires that we protest it as much as possible.

So, on one hand Microsoft is starting to become a good open source player, and then on the other it continues to abuse its users. Nope, I still won't use your products.

bitmapbrother 11y ago

If it's free you're the product. Gee, where have I heard that before? Funny, how things boomerang back to hit you in the ass.

vetinari 11y ago
It does not have to be free. It can be an expensive app, but still tried to play games with you. Have you checked, where your (offline) MS-Office connects, while you are working purely on offline files? Until now, it tried the following: www.microsoft.com, watson.microsoft.com, ots.optimize.webtrends.com, support.office.com, services.live.com, officeapps.live.com, live.com.akadns.net.
thecatspaw 11y ago
windows 10 is only free if you have a legitimate key for 8.1
- mrec 11y ago
  What? I have a legit install of 7, and it never bloody stops nagging me to accept a free upgrade to 10.
  - J_Darnley 11y ago
    What do you mean you don't want it? Just look at the long list of features mentioned in this thread that you will get if you upgrade!
iamsohungry 11y ago
If you actually understood the words you were saying, you'd realize that the topic of this thread is that users are the product even though they've paid for the software. The solution to this problem is software that is free as in freedom, not snarky comments in support of MS.

vjvj 11y ago

Whose products will you use? Not Google and Microsoft sure, but even Apple has been the subject of similar accusations [1]. Then you're left with the niche stuff. If that has similar flaws you might not even know unless you (or someone in the significantly smaller user base) notice(s) it. [1] http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/your-iphone-knows-exactly-where-youve-been-and-this-is-how-t http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/your-iphone-knows-exactl...

bluejekyll 11y ago
It's true. But honestly, Apple has remained generally better in that three tier comparison. I haven't used MS products since 1996. It's all Linux on the server, some FreeBSD, and Apple for me. Though honestly it's only Apple because I enjoy the tight app and device integration on the user side. I've just never enjoyed the Linux/BSD desktop experience Beyond a Dev workstation.

RyanZAG 11y ago

Hey HN! Just a friendly reminder that there a lot of people who agree with you. Don't take the downvotes when you post anti-Microsoft stuff as any kind of fact and keep posting your true opinions! Microsoft really does continue to abuse users regardless of any open source they are doing. They should be praised for their open source efforts, but stuff like this sneaky backdoor data collection requires that we protest it as much as possible.