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Remember Joe Biden talking about Turkey shipping weapons into Syria that ended up in the hands of Jihadis?[1] They actually have been caught red-handed[2], and

by cygx 11y ago

Remember Joe Biden talking about Turkey shipping weapons into Syria that ended up in the hands of Jihadis?[1] They actually have been caught red-handed[2], and allegedly it's still ongoing[3]. I do not believe all accusations are merely propaganda by the West, Russia, the Kurds or his internal political enemies. Sure, that does happen, and I would eg take the accusations of Bilal Erdoğan's involvement in the smuggling of ISIS oil with a grain of salt. But supplying the enemy of your enemies with weapons and politicians trying to make deals with the devil? That's old news. [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/05/politics/isis-biden-erdogan-apology/ http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/05/politics/isis-biden-erdoga... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_National_Intelligence_Organisation_scandal_in_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_National_Intelligence_Org... [3] http://www.todayszaman.com/_raid-on-koza-i-pek-media-group-comes-after-reports-on-transfer-of-weapons-to-isil_397966.html http://www.todayszaman.com/_raid-on-koza-i-pek-media-group-c...

afsina 11y ago
[1] This is same deal, even ISIS seized something it was most probably not intentional. And he apologies for his comments. Nothing to see here. [2] This scandal was the work of Gulenists. Most likely those weapons were headed to Syrian opposition but because of the on going war between Gulen and Erdoğan, Gulenist media presented this as if ISIS was the receiving side. Surely ISIS may intercept and seize some of weapons (Hey, they even took US sent weapons!) but portraying this as "ISIS aid" was purely according to Gulen's agenda. They made this propaganda especially in the foreign media to strengthen their attack. [3] Today's Zaman is the most active Gulenist propaganda press. Starting from mid 2013 their sole aim is to throw Erdoğan from his position. Their credibility is even lower than pro-Government media. I am a skeptic and a non-interventionist but I have yet to see any decisive or convincing proof that Turkish government actually aided ISIS deliberately and intentionally. I believe those news are mostly result of extreme confirmation bias, or blatant anti-Erdogan propaganda. There may be some individuals or group of people in Turkey supporting ISIS, or there might have been some Logistics screw ups so ISIS took stuff that were meant for others. But that is it.

by cygx 11y ago

afsina 11y ago

[1] This is same deal, even ISIS seized something it was most probably not intentional. And he apologies for his comments. Nothing to see here. [2] This scandal was the work of Gulenists. Most likely those weapons were headed to Syrian opposition but because of the on going war between Gulen and Erdoğan, Gulenist media presented this as if ISIS was the receiving side. Surely ISIS may intercept and seize some of weapons (Hey, they even took US sent weapons!) but portraying this as "ISIS aid" was purely according to Gulen's agenda. They made this propaganda especially in the foreign media to strengthen their attack. [3] Today's Zaman is the most active Gulenist propaganda press. Starting from mid 2013 their sole aim is to throw Erdoğan from his position. Their credibility is even lower than pro-Government media. I am a skeptic and a non-interventionist but I have yet to see any decisive or convincing proof that Turkish government actually aided ISIS deliberately and intentionally. I believe those news are mostly result of extreme confirmation bias, or blatant anti-Erdogan propaganda. There may be some individuals or group of people in Turkey supporting ISIS, or there might have been some Logistics screw ups so ISIS took stuff that were meant for others. But that is it.