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I particularly like the keywordlessness of W's syntax. Virtually every other language divides identifiers into 2 arbitrarily defined classes: the somewhere from

by vorg 11y ago

I particularly like the keywordlessness of W's syntax. Virtually every other language divides identifiers into 2 arbitrarily defined classes: the somewhere from 20 to 100 special identifiers that mustn't be used, and all the others that can be used by the programmer. Because W's syntax uses punctuation and symbols for all its functionality, the programmer doesn't need to either remember which 50-ish identifiers not to ever use, or have a special IDE-like task running in the background to gives prompts whenever it detects an illegal identifier use. Very clean syntax!

arethuza 11y ago
I agree it's an interesting approach - but there is still a separation into two classes of lexical tokens: those made up of letters and numbers and those made from punctuation and other "special" characters.
hacker_9 11y ago
..sorry but this is a non-problem. If you insist on not using an IDE, then the compiler will still catch any keyword clashes as errors. Also most languages use contextual keywords so it's even less of a problem.
- sdegutis 11y ago
  Right. I think I've never wanted to name a variable "if".
  - paulddraper 11y ago
    But what about old, current, and new? Or int? Or class? There is more then one project out there with klass.
    - Retra 11y ago
      I name variables 'old', 'current', and 'new' all the time. Just not in C++/Java. And why would you want to name a variable 'int'?
      - paulddraper 11y ago
        Or in JS. Or in C#. That covers a lot of the big ones. Perhaps you should name your language, so I can provide better examples.
        Retra 11y ago
        Examples of what? Ways to name variables so they look like keywords? I don't need your help with that. Even if I used a language that used keywords like 'ssalc' and 'wen', you could contrive some reason to be upset that you can't use those words in your code. The advantage offered by keywords is readability, and it comes at the expense of your ability to use those words for other purposes. If that's unacceptable, then your priorities are probably misplaced. Plus, you can always use a grammar that distinguishes between keyword rules and variable rules, and you'll never have any unambiguity. Even if popular languages don't do this, that's not a general problem for computer languages.
        paulddraper 11y ago
        > Ways to name variables so they look like keywords? I don't need your help with that. Oh good. My comment was in response to someone who doubt keywords would ever make good variable names (e.g. class). > you can always use a grammar that distinguishes between keyword rules and variable rules, and you'll never have any unambiguity. Yes, that is nice. And that's what W does. As an ancestor comment said, kudos for a "clean syntax"! (NOTE: there are alternatives, e.g. Scala's backticks. But W's choice is a good one.)
    - hacker_9 11y ago
      new what? Usually you'd say newItem for example. Also, if you really want, in C# you can write @class.
srpeck 11y ago
See also k (http://kparc.com/k.txt http://kparc.com/k.txt) for keywordlessness, though a few keywords are added for kdb database functions. Excerpt: 20 primitives/verbs, 6 operators/adverbs and 3 system functions. 1 control structure($) - rarely used - and no reserved words.

by vorg 11y ago

arethuza 11y ago

I agree it's an interesting approach - but there is still a separation into two classes of lexical tokens: those made up of letters and numbers and those made from punctuation and other "special" characters.

hacker_9 11y ago

..sorry but this is a non-problem. If you insist on not using an IDE, then the compiler will still catch any keyword clashes as errors. Also most languages use contextual keywords so it's even less of a problem.

sdegutis 11y ago
Right. I think I've never wanted to name a variable "if".
- paulddraper 11y ago
  But what about old, current, and new? Or int? Or class? There is more then one project out there with klass.
  - Retra 11y ago
    I name variables 'old', 'current', and 'new' all the time. Just not in C++/Java. And why would you want to name a variable 'int'?
    - paulddraper 11y ago
      Or in JS. Or in C#. That covers a lot of the big ones. Perhaps you should name your language, so I can provide better examples.
      - Retra 11y ago
        Examples of what? Ways to name variables so they look like keywords? I don't need your help with that. Even if I used a language that used keywords like 'ssalc' and 'wen', you could contrive some reason to be upset that you can't use those words in your code. The advantage offered by keywords is readability, and it comes at the expense of your ability to use those words for other purposes. If that's unacceptable, then your priorities are probably misplaced. Plus, you can always use a grammar that distinguishes between keyword rules and variable rules, and you'll never have any unambiguity. Even if popular languages don't do this, that's not a general problem for computer languages.
        paulddraper 11y ago
        > Ways to name variables so they look like keywords? I don't need your help with that. Oh good. My comment was in response to someone who doubt keywords would ever make good variable names (e.g. class). > you can always use a grammar that distinguishes between keyword rules and variable rules, and you'll never have any unambiguity. Yes, that is nice. And that's what W does. As an ancestor comment said, kudos for a "clean syntax"! (NOTE: there are alternatives, e.g. Scala's backticks. But W's choice is a good one.)
  - hacker_9 11y ago
    new what? Usually you'd say newItem for example. Also, if you really want, in C# you can write @class.

srpeck 11y ago

See also k (http://kparc.com/k.txt http://kparc.com/k.txt) for keywordlessness, though a few keywords are added for kdb database functions. Excerpt: 20 primitives/verbs, 6 operators/adverbs and 3 system functions. 1 control structure($) - rarely used - and no reserved words.