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Andrew Clay Shafer called it in 2013: https://stochasticresonance.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/openstack-a-plea/ https://stochasticresonance.wordpress.com/2013/11/0

by alrs 11y ago

Andrew Clay Shafer called it in 2013: https://stochasticresonance.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/openstack-a-plea/ https://stochasticresonance.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/opensta... In a former life, I was frustrated by the futility of trying to be involved with the Openstack project. My next phase was to warn people away. Now I wonder why I bothered. Years later it's apparent that I was right, but what benefit do I see from that? Better to aggressively ignore bad technology and spend effort on the stuff that looks promising.

rwmj 11y ago
He mentions Ceilometer which was recently rewritten (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gnocchi https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gnocchi). Of course whether the replacement will work any better is an open question at this point. Never really understood why they don't just use rrdtool and have done. Networking which he also mentions in passing is also being rewritten (https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/ovn-native-virtual-networking-for-open-vswitch https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-video...). I generally agree with his final points - OpenStack really needs to work for the end users, not for the many competing vendors working on it.
- alrs 11y ago
  They're not competing, they're cooperatively building a potemkin village so that they have a cloud story to tell Wall Street and the tech press. AWS is steamrollering everyone, but most of them incorrectly imagine AWS to be a mashup between VMware and a payday lender scam. They've been content to put people on stage every six months to peddle this-actually-works happy-talk. Dell tells the story. February 5, 2013: Dell announces plans to go private. May 20, 2013: Dell abandons Openstack.
  - sinxoveretothex 11y ago
    Dell abandoned Openstack in May 2013? Better tell ComputerWorldUK then, they seem out of date by 9 months because they linked me to this story from December 2013: http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-vendors/dell-and-red-hat-team-to-sell-enterprise-openstack-3493664/ http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-vendors/dell-and-red-...
    - alrs 11y ago
      https://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/dells-revised-strategy-steps-back-from-openstack-public-cloud-spotlights-enstratius/ https://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/dells-revised-strategy-steps-b...
- rodgerd 11y ago
  > OpenStack really needs to work for the end users, not for the many competing vendors working on it. IMO OpenStack is effectively where 80s/90s Unix was. Either Linux/BSD will emerge from it, or the private cloud vendors will Windows it.

by alrs 11y ago

rwmj 11y ago

He mentions Ceilometer which was recently rewritten (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gnocchi https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gnocchi). Of course whether the replacement will work any better is an open question at this point. Never really understood why they don't just use rrdtool and have done. Networking which he also mentions in passing is also being rewritten (https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/ovn-native-virtual-networking-for-open-vswitch https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-video...). I generally agree with his final points - OpenStack really needs to work for the end users, not for the many competing vendors working on it.

alrs 11y ago
They're not competing, they're cooperatively building a potemkin village so that they have a cloud story to tell Wall Street and the tech press. AWS is steamrollering everyone, but most of them incorrectly imagine AWS to be a mashup between VMware and a payday lender scam. They've been content to put people on stage every six months to peddle this-actually-works happy-talk. Dell tells the story. February 5, 2013: Dell announces plans to go private. May 20, 2013: Dell abandons Openstack.
- sinxoveretothex 11y ago
  Dell abandoned Openstack in May 2013? Better tell ComputerWorldUK then, they seem out of date by 9 months because they linked me to this story from December 2013: http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-vendors/dell-and-red-hat-team-to-sell-enterprise-openstack-3493664/ http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-vendors/dell-and-red-...
  - alrs 11y ago
    https://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/dells-revised-strategy-steps-back-from-openstack-public-cloud-spotlights-enstratius/ https://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/dells-revised-strategy-steps-b...
rodgerd 11y ago
> OpenStack really needs to work for the end users, not for the many competing vendors working on it. IMO OpenStack is effectively where 80s/90s Unix was. Either Linux/BSD will emerge from it, or the private cloud vendors will Windows it.