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We can criticize it because this isn't a morality game. China doesn't rack up evil chips because the US behaved evilly in the past. There's no score to settle.

by ellyagg 17y ago

We can criticize it because this isn't a morality game. China doesn't rack up evil chips because the US behaved evilly in the past. There's no score to settle. What they're doing is wrong and hurts us and the world right now, regardless of who did what in the past. We argue for principles that allow everyone to prosper. We argue for the golden rule and the categorical imperative.

grandalf 17y ago
You seem to be arguing that you think China's third world status and cultural history are completely irrelevant, and that just because the US has recently accomplished an arbitrarily chosen level of morality it is appropriate to harass and berate China over it. It would be a far better use of one's time (in America) to focus on the atrocities that exist in our current system. Throwing stones at China is absurd, unless you're a neocon who wants to send the US naval fleet into the waters near China and perhaps launch targeted strikes intended at getting China to change its official policy (or, more likely, making China's leaders look bad and causing social instability). Some modern US atrocities are: - The prison system. Inmates are routinely, predictably raped, yet inmate safety is not improved. This is an awful situation in 2010 America that rivals what has occurred in any labor camp or gulag anywhere and in any time. - Immigration policy. The US is an apartheid state in which the haves (aka citizens) and have-nots (aka non-citizens) are given drastically different rights. Illegals live in constant fear of deportation and are thus afraid to seek basic healthcare, law enforcement, etc., which makes them victim to untold suffering and anguish. - Don't forget Gitmo and Abu Ghraib... two examples of severe human rights violations by the US. Unlike with US prisoners (ironically) there would be more outrage over these issues if the facts weren't censored from public view. These are just a few. Worrying about China is a big waste of time.

by ellyagg 17y ago

grandalf 17y ago

You seem to be arguing that you think China's third world status and cultural history are completely irrelevant, and that just because the US has recently accomplished an arbitrarily chosen level of morality it is appropriate to harass and berate China over it. It would be a far better use of one's time (in America) to focus on the atrocities that exist in our current system. Throwing stones at China is absurd, unless you're a neocon who wants to send the US naval fleet into the waters near China and perhaps launch targeted strikes intended at getting China to change its official policy (or, more likely, making China's leaders look bad and causing social instability). Some modern US atrocities are: - The prison system. Inmates are routinely, predictably raped, yet inmate safety is not improved. This is an awful situation in 2010 America that rivals what has occurred in any labor camp or gulag anywhere and in any time. - Immigration policy. The US is an apartheid state in which the haves (aka citizens) and have-nots (aka non-citizens) are given drastically different rights. Illegals live in constant fear of deportation and are thus afraid to seek basic healthcare, law enforcement, etc., which makes them victim to untold suffering and anguish. - Don't forget Gitmo and Abu Ghraib... two examples of severe human rights violations by the US. Unlike with US prisoners (ironically) there would be more outrage over these issues if the facts weren't censored from public view. These are just a few. Worrying about China is a big waste of time.