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Well, my wife works for Martinelli's - and it definitely doesn't take 2+ apples to make a cup of apple juice. (I'm not saying that apple juice should be your fi

by MrTonyD 11y ago

Well, my wife works for Martinelli's - and it definitely doesn't take 2+ apples to make a cup of apple juice. (I'm not saying that apple juice should be your first choice.) They also carefully monitor "brix", which is the amount of sugar in their juice. They have acceptable targets for that as well as other measures (including John Martinelli tasting the product almost daily.) Personally, I use my Vitamix to make my own "apple juice smoothy" and routinely ferment fruit for the probiotics. But I'm skeptical about the "juice is bad" meme.

leephillips 11y ago
That stuff is delicious. I don't drink fruit juice, but I put Martinelli's in a different category.
- tedmiston 11y ago
  As you should at $25/gallon [1]: 5x the price of Mott's for example. 1: http://store.martinellis.com/products/jaj128.shtml http://store.martinellis.com/products/jaj128.shtml
el_duderino 11y ago
Can you ask your wife what the stuff that appears to be floating in my Martinelli apple juice is? It's a cloud looking like substance in my juice. Does that mean it's been sitting too long? Fermented apple by chance? Smells almost like alcohol when opening it.
- MrTonyD 11y ago
  I may know what the cloudy stuff is. First, if the juice is outside the "best buy" date, just throw it away. The "cloudy juice" problem happened when they moved to a new production line in Watsonville. They discovered that as juice aged it got cloudy and then started to grow a "tree looking" like thing inside the bottle. It took them months to figure out that the big warehouse doors where they brought in apples was allowing mold spores to blow into the air and contaminate the juice. You've probably been holding on to that bottle for a while. (Some other brands don't filter their juice, and will appear cloudy.) This isn't a problem that anyone should be seeing anymore. (I should add that many, many bottles were tested and the mold wasn't a harmful mold. Many skeptical customers even arranged their own testing.)
  - el_duderino 11y ago
    Wow. Interesting and makes plenty of sense. Thank you. To be specific, I was trying to describe the "tree looking" like thing inside the bottle.
  - kahseng 11y ago
    Cool. Reminds me of this mystery fungus from a while ago: http://www.wired.com/2011/05/ff_angelsshare/ http://www.wired.com/2011/05/ff_angelsshare/
- eru 11y ago
  I only ever buy cloudy apple juice. Or is there something else going on in Martinelli?
  - MrTonyD 11y ago
    Martinelli's uses a very fine filter for their juice - some juicers don't filter their juice (often because they want it to help define their brand - as unfiltered and natural.) Having heard a lot of stories about food production in general - you should try to choose a manufacturer that you trust. (For any food product, not just apple juice.) There are an incredible number of things which must be monitored and which can (and do) go wrong.
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icanhackit 11y ago
But I'm skeptical about the "juice is bad" meme. It is and for a simple reason that we've known about for a long time: glycaemic index. If the sugars (fructose) are locked in a matrix of cellulose (AKA dietary fibre) they're released gradually as your body digests the bulk matter. If you plot the blood sugar concentration of the person consuming a solid piece of fruit you see a nice curve where the levels rise, peak, and non-violently fall. Now when you process the fruit you're effectively pre-digesting it - the sugars are free of the cellulose matrix (the bulk of the fruit) and when you plot the blood sugar concentration after consumption of juice, because no work needs to be done to digest it, the blood sugar level quickly spikes. This provides a rush, then your insulin response peaks, sending your blood sugar levels crashing. This happens much faster than the curve in blood sugar from eating unprocessed fruit. The only argument I'll accept from people who drink juice: They like it. That's OK. You're allowed to like things. I like beer, which acts similarly to juice with regards to blood sugar concentration.
- wdewind 11y ago
  > If you plot the blood sugar concentration of the person consuming a solid piece of fruit you see a nice curve where the levels rise, peak, and non-violently fall. There's nothing wrong with this except that it probably makes you feel more hungry and eat more. But the blood sugar surge isn't really unhealthy in normal people, it's usually the subsequent behavioral impact (the low that makes you feel hungry) that causes the real harm (ie: the total sugar matters more directly than the glycemic index).
  - icanhackit 11y ago
    There's nothing wrong with this I agree there's nothing wrong with the part quoted. That's an ideal outcome. And the surge of blood sugar concentration from juice wasn't the part I was concerned about (unless it results in a child going into a hyperactive transdimensional shit-fit). The blood sugar crash is the significant part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia#Signs_and_symptoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia#Signs_and_symptom... Low blood sugar also plays a major part in decision fatigue. Do you make dinner after work or buy something on the way home? Making a healthy dinner is the better decision but right now you want satiety. Do you do the washing or sit in front of the TV? You don't just have decision fatigue, you're out of energy - the real deal. This is in contrast to a low GI meal where the energy supply is provided over a longer period at a stable rate, providing the stamina to make good decisions and act on them.
colechristensen 11y ago
>But I'm skeptical about the "juice is bad" meme. The problem is that people can't separate an unbalanced diet from the foods that are throwing them out of balance. Juice is fine and great. Getting most of your calories from simple sugars like all too many people do (and like juice provides)is bad. Replacing sodas with fruit juice doesn't do much to make your diet better. You should balance your sugars, fats, and proteins.
rdtsc 11y ago
> But I'm skeptical about the "juice is bad" meme. Are you skeptical of "sugar is bad" meme? If you are, not sure how sugar disolved in water is a different.
grovr 11y ago
With regards to "juice is bad", here is a BMJ article which appears to validate that belief at least with regards to type 2 diabetes: http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5001 http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5001 Specifically: From the conclusion "Greater consumption of specific whole fruits, particularly blueberries, grapes, and apples, is significantly associated with a lower risk of type 2 diabetes, whereas greater consumption of fruit juice is associated with a higher risk."

by MrTonyD 11y ago

leephillips 11y ago

That stuff is delicious. I don't drink fruit juice, but I put Martinelli's in a different category.

tedmiston 11y ago
As you should at $25/gallon [1]: 5x the price of Mott's for example. 1: http://store.martinellis.com/products/jaj128.shtml http://store.martinellis.com/products/jaj128.shtml

el_duderino 11y ago

Can you ask your wife what the stuff that appears to be floating in my Martinelli apple juice is? It's a cloud looking like substance in my juice. Does that mean it's been sitting too long? Fermented apple by chance? Smells almost like alcohol when opening it.

MrTonyD 11y ago
I may know what the cloudy stuff is. First, if the juice is outside the "best buy" date, just throw it away. The "cloudy juice" problem happened when they moved to a new production line in Watsonville. They discovered that as juice aged it got cloudy and then started to grow a "tree looking" like thing inside the bottle. It took them months to figure out that the big warehouse doors where they brought in apples was allowing mold spores to blow into the air and contaminate the juice. You've probably been holding on to that bottle for a while. (Some other brands don't filter their juice, and will appear cloudy.) This isn't a problem that anyone should be seeing anymore. (I should add that many, many bottles were tested and the mold wasn't a harmful mold. Many skeptical customers even arranged their own testing.)
- el_duderino 11y ago
  Wow. Interesting and makes plenty of sense. Thank you. To be specific, I was trying to describe the "tree looking" like thing inside the bottle.
- kahseng 11y ago
  Cool. Reminds me of this mystery fungus from a while ago: http://www.wired.com/2011/05/ff_angelsshare/ http://www.wired.com/2011/05/ff_angelsshare/
eru 11y ago
I only ever buy cloudy apple juice. Or is there something else going on in Martinelli?
- MrTonyD 11y ago
  Martinelli's uses a very fine filter for their juice - some juicers don't filter their juice (often because they want it to help define their brand - as unfiltered and natural.) Having heard a lot of stories about food production in general - you should try to choose a manufacturer that you trust. (For any food product, not just apple juice.) There are an incredible number of things which must be monitored and which can (and do) go wrong.

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icanhackit 11y ago

But I'm skeptical about the "juice is bad" meme. It is and for a simple reason that we've known about for a long time: glycaemic index. If the sugars (fructose) are locked in a matrix of cellulose (AKA dietary fibre) they're released gradually as your body digests the bulk matter. If you plot the blood sugar concentration of the person consuming a solid piece of fruit you see a nice curve where the levels rise, peak, and non-violently fall. Now when you process the fruit you're effectively pre-digesting it - the sugars are free of the cellulose matrix (the bulk of the fruit) and when you plot the blood sugar concentration after consumption of juice, because no work needs to be done to digest it, the blood sugar level quickly spikes. This provides a rush, then your insulin response peaks, sending your blood sugar levels crashing. This happens much faster than the curve in blood sugar from eating unprocessed fruit. The only argument I'll accept from people who drink juice: They like it. That's OK. You're allowed to like things. I like beer, which acts similarly to juice with regards to blood sugar concentration.

wdewind 11y ago
> If you plot the blood sugar concentration of the person consuming a solid piece of fruit you see a nice curve where the levels rise, peak, and non-violently fall. There's nothing wrong with this except that it probably makes you feel more hungry and eat more. But the blood sugar surge isn't really unhealthy in normal people, it's usually the subsequent behavioral impact (the low that makes you feel hungry) that causes the real harm (ie: the total sugar matters more directly than the glycemic index).
- icanhackit 11y ago
  There's nothing wrong with this I agree there's nothing wrong with the part quoted. That's an ideal outcome. And the surge of blood sugar concentration from juice wasn't the part I was concerned about (unless it results in a child going into a hyperactive transdimensional shit-fit). The blood sugar crash is the significant part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia#Signs_and_symptoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia#Signs_and_symptom... Low blood sugar also plays a major part in decision fatigue. Do you make dinner after work or buy something on the way home? Making a healthy dinner is the better decision but right now you want satiety. Do you do the washing or sit in front of the TV? You don't just have decision fatigue, you're out of energy - the real deal. This is in contrast to a low GI meal where the energy supply is provided over a longer period at a stable rate, providing the stamina to make good decisions and act on them.

colechristensen 11y ago

>But I'm skeptical about the "juice is bad" meme. The problem is that people can't separate an unbalanced diet from the foods that are throwing them out of balance. Juice is fine and great. Getting most of your calories from simple sugars like all too many people do (and like juice provides)is bad. Replacing sodas with fruit juice doesn't do much to make your diet better. You should balance your sugars, fats, and proteins.

rdtsc 11y ago

> But I'm skeptical about the "juice is bad" meme. Are you skeptical of "sugar is bad" meme? If you are, not sure how sugar disolved in water is a different.

grovr 11y ago

With regards to "juice is bad", here is a BMJ article which appears to validate that belief at least with regards to type 2 diabetes: http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5001 http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5001 Specifically: From the conclusion "Greater consumption of specific whole fruits, particularly blueberries, grapes, and apples, is significantly associated with a lower risk of type 2 diabetes, whereas greater consumption of fruit juice is associated with a higher risk."