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Jacob Kaplan-Moss: What The Enterprise wants from Django

79 points by alrex021 17y ago

mrtron 17y ago
I introduced Django to a company fitting "they're big (Fortune 100)" I can tell you the single biggest win for the framework. Clear separation of the presentation layer from the rest of development. Designers were able to work within Django templates with no problem and very minimal training.
- pxlpshr 17y ago
  I don't have enterprise experience with Django but per your second remark, I couldn't agree more. The templating approach using extends/blocks is a breath of fresh air over PHP stuff I used in the past like Smarty. To put some numbers behind that, in about ~60 days I've overhauled the user interface about 3 or 4 times without impacting the developers. There's no way I could have imagined doing that in the past without causing a big mess. It's great to be able to have this type of flexibility, the hardest thing I've found about UI/UX is making changes after you felt what was wrong about it.
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- sandGorgon 17y ago
  interesting... do you think the view-first model of Java frameworks like Scala/Lift would make it more attractive ?
  - mrtron 17y ago
    Of course it will make it more attractive.
blasdel 17y ago
http://bitbucket.org/ianb/toppcloud/ http://bitbucket.org/ianb/toppcloud/ : Python :: http://github.com/wr0ngway/rubber/ http://github.com/wr0ngway/rubber/ : Ruby ? Toppcloud is presently Rackspace-only and Rubber is AWS-only, but they both intend to be multi-service. Rubber seems a lot further along, I'm using it for a customer project I'm working on right now. Having written a project for AppEngine, I don't think either is very much like it -- more a way of getting rid of customized disk images and integrating the bootstrapping scripts with the deploy scripts.
- jokull 17y ago
  Toppcloud is riding on top of libcloud and should in theory work with anything libcloud supports. Rackspace is currently the only tested environment though.
  - varikin 17y ago
    Also, Toppcloud is very young, only being announced about a month ago. It has lots of potential.
- ianb 17y ago
  For a better toppcloud link: http://toppcloud.colorstudy.com http://toppcloud.colorstudy.com

79 points by alrex021 17y ago

I introduced Django to a company fitting "they're big (Fortune 100)" I can tell you the single biggest win for the framework. Clear separation of the presentation layer from the rest of development. Designers were able to work within Django templates with no problem and very minimal training.

pxlpshr 17y ago
I don't have enterprise experience with Django but per your second remark, I couldn't agree more. The templating approach using extends/blocks is a breath of fresh air over PHP stuff I used in the past like Smarty. To put some numbers behind that, in about ~60 days I've overhauled the user interface about 3 or 4 times without impacting the developers. There's no way I could have imagined doing that in the past without causing a big mess. It's great to be able to have this type of flexibility, the hardest thing I've found about UI/UX is making changes after you felt what was wrong about it.
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sandGorgon 17y ago
interesting... do you think the view-first model of Java frameworks like Scala/Lift would make it more attractive ?
- mrtron 17y ago
  Of course it will make it more attractive.

blasdel 17y ago

http://bitbucket.org/ianb/toppcloud/ http://bitbucket.org/ianb/toppcloud/ : Python :: http://github.com/wr0ngway/rubber/ http://github.com/wr0ngway/rubber/ : Ruby ? Toppcloud is presently Rackspace-only and Rubber is AWS-only, but they both intend to be multi-service. Rubber seems a lot further along, I'm using it for a customer project I'm working on right now. Having written a project for AppEngine, I don't think either is very much like it -- more a way of getting rid of customized disk images and integrating the bootstrapping scripts with the deploy scripts.

jokull 17y ago
Toppcloud is riding on top of libcloud and should in theory work with anything libcloud supports. Rackspace is currently the only tested environment though.
- varikin 17y ago
  Also, Toppcloud is very young, only being announced about a month ago. It has lots of potential.
ianb 17y ago
For a better toppcloud link: http://toppcloud.colorstudy.com http://toppcloud.colorstudy.com