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Example of the problem with mass transit : http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/masstransit.htm http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/masstransit.htm 1) Money: ge
by iofj 11y ago
Example of the problem with mass transit : http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/masstransit.htm http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/masstransit.htm
1) Money: generally speaking, depending on the number of passengers mass transit is a little cheaper (1 person), about the same (2 pers) or much more expensive (a family of 4-5) than public transport.
If you take into account that home -> work -> shopping -> home with public transport turns into home -> city center -> other city center -> work -> city center -> shopping -> city center -> other city center -> home ... The point is that there are many kinds of trips where the routes taken by public transport cause it to be more expensive than a car.
In the cities where I've worked, mass transit (2x bus + train) was only 20-30% cheaper than a car and only if you lived out in the suburbs and worked in the city. The other way around (living in city, working a bit out of the city), mass transit was more expensive than the car. Living in city, working in city, a fold-up bike was far more convenient.
2) Time: mass transit doesn't go where I live, and doesn't leave/arrive when I need to leave/arrive. Furthermore, it's regularly non-operative when I need it. This limits what I can do (I stayed late, we ordered in pizza, then hang out with a friend ... oops it's 22h30 ... no more buses to my place until 6 am. Yes it only happened to me maybe 5 times over a decade but fuck that shit)
3) Baggage limits: when using mass transit I can carry 25 kilograms. If I don't care about comfort of myself and other passengers, maybe 40-50 is possible. I don't imagine I will be able to do that anymore when I turn 60. If I have my kids with me, 20 kg is pushing it, and if I'm either slightly ill or ... I can barely take anything at all.
When I go shopping, I buy for the week at least (by far the least bothersome way to do shopping imho, a lot faster, and also 30% or so cheaper) I come home with 30-40 kilograms usually. Can't use public transport for that.
This is ignoring that a lot of things can't be reasonably/safely transported using public transport, like DIY building supplies (ladder, long bars, 2 by 4s, ...). This includes anything heavy or above a certain very restrictive size limit.
4) Comfort. I don't even get why they bother with 1st class on trains. Let's not pretend that even 1st class has 1/10th the comfort of a car. Commuter trains are torture.
Mass transit is usable as a commute solution. It cannot reasonably replace a car. We need to fix transport and mass transport as it currently exists is not the answer.
- kspaans 11y ago> The other way around (living in city, working a bit out of the city), mass transit was more expensive than the car. Do you mean the monthly cost of transit pass/fares was more than monthly cost of parking + gas + insurance + car payments + maintenance?
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- emj 11y agoOur monthly numbers are Transit passes for a family of four: 250-450 USD or one very cheap car used for commute: 300-600 USD + public transport or bicycles + public tranport: 150-300 USD a cargo bike being the most expensive part of that. I commute 2*50 min daily on bicycle since 2013.
- emj 11y agoTo be fair it's actually 2*30 min nowdays, I just say 50 min because that's what how long the commute was with the car and also how long it took me to bike when I started.
- iofj 11y agoAre those transit passes just covering commutes ? Or are they the closest thing public transport has to a car (global access to all routes) ?
- fche 11y agoMight want to include overt taxpayer subsidies in the former, plus any allowance for access to a car in those cases where mass transit doesn't cut it. It's kind of like including the capital/expense cost of the necessary standby fossil plants in the costs of "green energy" system.
- m_eiman 11y agoMass transit is usable as a commute solution. It cannot reasonably replace a car. It can't replace all uses of a car. But what causes rush hour traffic isn't that you sometimes want to go shopping, or that you sometimes stay late at a friend - it's that too many people take the car all the time, and all the way. By making mass transit the default and a car the exception, we'd be a long way towards a solution.