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Alupis: I should have clarified that I was speaking from my own personal experience with supporting hundreds of laptops. You're right. I admit that my evidence

by Bud 11y ago

Alupis: I should have clarified that I was speaking from my own personal experience with supporting hundreds of laptops. You're right. I admit that my evidence is anecdotal, but there is a lot of it. As others have already pointed out, no, MagSafe is not gone. Dell's chargers, as do many other PC chargers over the last 10 years, routinely break the charging port on the computer if they get yanked on too much, which is of course far more expensive to replace than a new charger. You're bitching a lot about my evidence being anecdotal because it's only based on hundreds of chargers, and you're right, but your evidence appears to be based on, um, a single Dell charger that you think is awesome. That seems pretty weak. Lastly, I do agree with you about the new USB-C charger for the MacBook. I think it's stupid and a step backwards and I wish they had retained MagSafe on that model.

Alupis 11y ago
> from my own personal experience with supporting hundreds of laptops I'm curious to how much hardware support goes into this, since most Apple machines are designed to not be support friendly (eg. non-replaceable and/or difficult to replace normal wear-n-tear components). > routinely break the charging port on the computer if they get yanked on too much Yes, most laptops have this issue, although it's not nearly as common with modern laptops as it used to be. However, I contest that's a design fault in the laptop, not the charger. > which is of course far more expensive to replace than a new charger Not always true.[1][2] DC jacks can often be bought for less than $5 online, and then it's just labor to solder it into place. A search online turns out quite a few services for $75 inclusive of the DC jack cost (your local repair shop probably does it even cheaper now, since no shipping involved, etc). Apple's cheapest adapter with magsafe cable on it is $79. A Thinkpad charger will only run you $59.99.[3] > You're bitching a lot about my evidence being anecdotal because it's only based on hundreds of chargers, and you're right, but your evidence appears to be based on, um, a single Dell charger that you think is awesome. That seems pretty weak. It's difficult to comment on this without resorting to some sort of "fanboy" argument. > I think it's stupid and a step backwards and I wish they had retained MagSafe on that model. I think we both agree on this. Worse off, if that single port breaks, you now cannot charge your laptop, nor use any peripherals (and a peripheral is more likely to break that USB port than the charger in my experience - such as a USB thumb drive hanging out and someone smacks it on accident). Even worse off, that port isn't easily repairable, so it's back to apple (who will replace the entire motherboard as their "fix", or if it's out of warranty, it's time to buy a new laptop). [1] http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC461LL/A/apple-60w-magsafe-power-adapter-for-macbook-and-13-inch-macbook-pro?fnode=85 http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC461LL/A/apple-60w-magsaf... [2] http://repairmydcjack.com/ http://repairmydcjack.com/ [3] http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?hide_menu_area=true&GroupID=460&Code=40Y7659 http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPo...
- PhantomGremlin 11y ago
  quite a few services for $75 inclusive of the DC jack ... Apple's cheapest adapter with magsafe cable on it is $79. That's an oranges-to-apples comparison. :) It's not fair to compare 3rd party repair services to a new Apple product. There are also 3rd party repair services for Apple chargers. For example, I know these guys will repair them: http://madmacsoforegon.com/Mad_Macs_of_Oregon/Welcome.html http://madmacsoforegon.com/Mad_Macs_of_Oregon/Welcome.html
  - simoncion 11y ago
    > That's an oranges-to-apples comparison. :) > > It's not fair to compare 3rd party repair services to a new Apple product. You have to remember that Alupis was replying to the following comment (which he quoted in his comment): > [the charging port on a computer is] of course far more expensive to replace than a new charger... Context is everything, friend. :)
- thesmok 11y ago
  That USB-C port looks very sturdy. See, the connector case is milled into the macbook body. And the connector itself is a separate module that can be replaced with just a right screwdriver. https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Retina+Macbook+2015+Teardown/39841#s89881 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Retina+Macbook+2015+Teardown...
  - Alupis 11y ago
    The issue isn't the entire port breaking, it's the relatively fragile plastic center part inside the port that breaks most often. Breaking that renders the port unusable.

by Bud 11y ago

Alupis 11y ago

> from my own personal experience with supporting hundreds of laptops I'm curious to how much hardware support goes into this, since most Apple machines are designed to not be support friendly (eg. non-replaceable and/or difficult to replace normal wear-n-tear components). > routinely break the charging port on the computer if they get yanked on too much Yes, most laptops have this issue, although it's not nearly as common with modern laptops as it used to be. However, I contest that's a design fault in the laptop, not the charger. > which is of course far more expensive to replace than a new charger Not always true.[1][2] DC jacks can often be bought for less than $5 online, and then it's just labor to solder it into place. A search online turns out quite a few services for $75 inclusive of the DC jack cost (your local repair shop probably does it even cheaper now, since no shipping involved, etc). Apple's cheapest adapter with magsafe cable on it is $79. A Thinkpad charger will only run you $59.99.[3] > You're bitching a lot about my evidence being anecdotal because it's only based on hundreds of chargers, and you're right, but your evidence appears to be based on, um, a single Dell charger that you think is awesome. That seems pretty weak. It's difficult to comment on this without resorting to some sort of "fanboy" argument. > I think it's stupid and a step backwards and I wish they had retained MagSafe on that model. I think we both agree on this. Worse off, if that single port breaks, you now cannot charge your laptop, nor use any peripherals (and a peripheral is more likely to break that USB port than the charger in my experience - such as a USB thumb drive hanging out and someone smacks it on accident). Even worse off, that port isn't easily repairable, so it's back to apple (who will replace the entire motherboard as their "fix", or if it's out of warranty, it's time to buy a new laptop). [1] http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC461LL/A/apple-60w-magsafe-power-adapter-for-macbook-and-13-inch-macbook-pro?fnode=85 http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC461LL/A/apple-60w-magsaf... [2] http://repairmydcjack.com/ http://repairmydcjack.com/ [3] http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?hide_menu_area=true&GroupID=460&Code=40Y7659 http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPo...

PhantomGremlin 11y ago
quite a few services for $75 inclusive of the DC jack ... Apple's cheapest adapter with magsafe cable on it is $79. That's an oranges-to-apples comparison. :) It's not fair to compare 3rd party repair services to a new Apple product. There are also 3rd party repair services for Apple chargers. For example, I know these guys will repair them: http://madmacsoforegon.com/Mad_Macs_of_Oregon/Welcome.html http://madmacsoforegon.com/Mad_Macs_of_Oregon/Welcome.html
- simoncion 11y ago
  > That's an oranges-to-apples comparison. :) > > It's not fair to compare 3rd party repair services to a new Apple product. You have to remember that Alupis was replying to the following comment (which he quoted in his comment): > [the charging port on a computer is] of course far more expensive to replace than a new charger... Context is everything, friend. :)
thesmok 11y ago
That USB-C port looks very sturdy. See, the connector case is milled into the macbook body. And the connector itself is a separate module that can be replaced with just a right screwdriver. https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Retina+Macbook+2015+Teardown/39841#s89881 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Retina+Macbook+2015+Teardown...
- Alupis 11y ago
  The issue isn't the entire port breaking, it's the relatively fragile plastic center part inside the port that breaks most often. Breaking that renders the port unusable.