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If you get me the actual paper, I might change my mind. Without more information from the actual whole paper, I'm not going to update my reasoning. I've seen i
by MollyR 11y ago
If you get me the actual paper, I might change my mind.
Without more information from the actual whole paper, I'm not going to update my reasoning.
I've seen it numerous times in psychology and sociological papers. I've even seen biologists mistake correlation and causation in their own experiment. As being part of the scientific community, I was forced to read tons and tons of retraction papers by my PI (principal investigator).So again I'm holding out until I get the actual paper, and I standby my skepticism.
- richmarr 11y agoSorry, unless I'm missing something your reasoning is faulty. You don't need to read the paper to see that their method involved looking and testing hidden variables, disproving your assertion that they mistook correlation for causation. You may disagree with their conclusion, but their method disproves your accusation.
- MollyR 11y agoTypically papers have a section called "Materials and Methods". http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/scientific-papers-13815490 http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/scientific-papers-1... Not having seen this part of their paper. I can't really conclude anything, but stay skeptical based on outside prior information.
- richmarr 11y agoNote how you completely avoided addressing my point. >...stay skeptical... Well, no, skepticism is withholding judgement pending evidence. You judged them and found them guilty without waiting for evidence. That's cynicism.
- MollyR 11y agoActually I asked for the paper with the evidence. Still don't have it. I also gave prior evidence of academic failures, one of many that inform my thoughts on the matter. It seems you are trying to puts words in my mouth,and trying to use an appeal to authority, ignoring my point about bad academic research which informs my skepticism, and avoiding the actual papers methods and materials issue. Finally I'm not sure what you mean by the cynicism comment but a quick google search showed cynicism: inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest; skepticism.
- richmarr 11y agoIf you're willing to argue that cynicism and skepticism are synonyms then I really can't be bothered talking to you. Cheerio.