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You're not really doing Jobs any favors. Instead of saying Jobs was a liar, you're saying he was an ignorant liar.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
"Liar" is too strong a word here. It's a misconception at best. Jobs would not have known the history of switching power supplies.
- gohrt 11y ago
  When you make statements that you don't know are true, but smart enough know that you profit in some way from people believing them, and you make no effort to find out the truth, you are a bullshitter. Jobs made a career of this sort of behavior. On the scale of respectability: 1. True statements. 2. Keeping your mouth shut. 3. Speculating. ... N-1. Making self-serving wishful statements as though they are facts. N. Outright Lies.
  - Steko 11y ago
    This whole tangent is because 'comically bald faced lie' is a comically bald faced worse way of describing the situation with words than how the article itself described it -- 'entirely false' -- despite Adam comment's description of the 'bald faced lie' as being somehow 'hidden' instead of being called out explicitly and discussed in detail.
untog 11y ago
I disagree - a lie is told knowingly. If you say something untrue without knowing it is untrue, it isn't a lie.
- DanBC 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit It might not be a lie, but it is bullshit. > On Bullshit (2005), by Harry G. Frankfurt, is a philosophical essay that presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the contexts of communication. As such, bullshit can be neither true nor false; hence, the bullshitter is someone whose principal aim — when uttering or publishing bullshit — is to impress the listener and the reader with words that communicate an impression that something is being or has been done, words that are neither true nor false, and so obscure the facts of the matter being discussed.[1] In contrast, the liar must know the truth of the matter under discussion, in order to better conceal it from the listener or the reader being deceived with a lie; while the bullshitter’s sole concern is personal advancement and advantage to their own agenda.
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    Yes, Jobs was great purveyor of bullshit. Much like the movies made about him. ;)

"Liar" is too strong a word here. It's a misconception at best. Jobs would not have known the history of switching power supplies.

gohrt 11y ago
When you make statements that you don't know are true, but smart enough know that you profit in some way from people believing them, and you make no effort to find out the truth, you are a bullshitter. Jobs made a career of this sort of behavior. On the scale of respectability: 1. True statements. 2. Keeping your mouth shut. 3. Speculating. ... N-1. Making self-serving wishful statements as though they are facts. N. Outright Lies.
- Steko 11y ago
  This whole tangent is because 'comically bald faced lie' is a comically bald faced worse way of describing the situation with words than how the article itself described it -- 'entirely false' -- despite Adam comment's description of the 'bald faced lie' as being somehow 'hidden' instead of being called out explicitly and discussed in detail.

untog 11y ago

I disagree - a lie is told knowingly. If you say something untrue without knowing it is untrue, it isn't a lie.

DanBC 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit It might not be a lie, but it is bullshit. > On Bullshit (2005), by Harry G. Frankfurt, is a philosophical essay that presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the contexts of communication. As such, bullshit can be neither true nor false; hence, the bullshitter is someone whose principal aim — when uttering or publishing bullshit — is to impress the listener and the reader with words that communicate an impression that something is being or has been done, words that are neither true nor false, and so obscure the facts of the matter being discussed.[1] In contrast, the liar must know the truth of the matter under discussion, in order to better conceal it from the listener or the reader being deceived with a lie; while the bullshitter’s sole concern is personal advancement and advantage to their own agenda.
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  Yes, Jobs was great purveyor of bullshit. Much like the movies made about him. ;)