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Actually, consent for sexual intercourse obtained through lies or deceipt is unequivocally considered rape in common law.

fab13n 11y ago
Can you provide a source? I'd be surprised if, for instance, seducing someone and getting laid by pretending to be substantially wealthier than you are was considered rape. Even pretending that you aren't a convicted felon when you are one would probably not constitute rape. I'd also be surprised if a woman who lied about being a virgin (and maybe had hymenoplasty) was prosecuted as a rapist by her devout husband. My guess would be that it's considered rape if the deception made the victim believe they had to have intercourse with the liar. If the lie merely made the liar more desirable, it's (possibly unethical) seduction. This hypothesis would mean, to come back to the original case, that: * telling you're not a cop when you actually are one is not rape; * telling that you're a cop when you aren't, and hitting that a sexual favor would buy you some leniency, does constitute rape.
- DanBC 11y ago
  There's several links in this thread to a recent UK case where a woman pretended to be a man, and seduced her friend and had sex with that friend. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland... There are other coses from different places. A Jewish woman was told by a man that he was also Jewish. They had sex. He was in fact not Jewish, and he was convicted. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7901025/Palestinian-jailed-for-rape-after-claiming-to-be-Jewish.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/... I think the law is looking at what consent actually means.
- danlindley 11y ago
  There was a case in Australia where an individual consented to intercourse on the basis that their partner would agree to marry them. Afterwards, when the partner refused to get married and the case was taken to court, the court determined this was rape due to the fact consent was only obtained on the basis that they would then be married.

fab13n 11y ago

Can you provide a source? I'd be surprised if, for instance, seducing someone and getting laid by pretending to be substantially wealthier than you are was considered rape. Even pretending that you aren't a convicted felon when you are one would probably not constitute rape. I'd also be surprised if a woman who lied about being a virgin (and maybe had hymenoplasty) was prosecuted as a rapist by her devout husband. My guess would be that it's considered rape if the deception made the victim believe they had to have intercourse with the liar. If the lie merely made the liar more desirable, it's (possibly unethical) seduction. This hypothesis would mean, to come back to the original case, that: * telling you're not a cop when you actually are one is not rape; * telling that you're a cop when you aren't, and hitting that a sexual favor would buy you some leniency, does constitute rape.

DanBC 11y ago
There's several links in this thread to a recent UK case where a woman pretended to be a man, and seduced her friend and had sex with that friend. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland... There are other coses from different places. A Jewish woman was told by a man that he was also Jewish. They had sex. He was in fact not Jewish, and he was convicted. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7901025/Palestinian-jailed-for-rape-after-claiming-to-be-Jewish.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/... I think the law is looking at what consent actually means.
danlindley 11y ago
There was a case in Australia where an individual consented to intercourse on the basis that their partner would agree to marry them. Afterwards, when the partner refused to get married and the case was taken to court, the court determined this was rape due to the fact consent was only obtained on the basis that they would then be married.