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Lying about who you are isn't rape. For the FBI[0], at least, rape is defined as: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part

Lying about who you are isn't rape. For the FBI[0], at least, rape is defined as: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." Telling your potential partner that you're an astronaut or a surgeon does not make you a rapist. It's distasteful and immoral, but not rape. Suggesting otherwise is dangerous to social progress in the fair legal treatment of women, children and other targeted groups. 0: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/recent-program-updates/new-rape-definition-frequently-asked-questions https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/recent-program-updates...

DanBC 11y ago
This is the UK, not the US, and there's a case already posted to this thread of someone lying about who they were and being convicted of rape.
- mattlutze 11y ago
  Quite right -- in English law I guess it's all about the interpretation and determination of "consent" [0]: > 'A person consents if they agree by choice, and have the freedom and capacity to make that choice'. An unfortunately interesting example where a small difference can have a major effect. I think I should have made it an opinion and said "should not" instead of "does not". Thought I can understand the argument that feeling deceived can also lead to anguish, so I understand where there was logic in the way it's been written in the UK (and perhaps also interpreted in the US). 0: http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Definitions/1400008450549/1400008450549 http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Definitions/14000084505...
rmc 11y ago
The important section is "without the consent". If the victim consents to sex with someone who is X, Y or Z, and you tell them you are that and you're not, then that can count as rape.
- mattlutze 11y ago
  This was down-voted somewhere but it's actually factual for at least the UK.

DanBC 11y ago

This is the UK, not the US, and there's a case already posted to this thread of someone lying about who they were and being convicted of rape.

mattlutze 11y ago
Quite right -- in English law I guess it's all about the interpretation and determination of "consent" [0]: > 'A person consents if they agree by choice, and have the freedom and capacity to make that choice'. An unfortunately interesting example where a small difference can have a major effect. I think I should have made it an opinion and said "should not" instead of "does not". Thought I can understand the argument that feeling deceived can also lead to anguish, so I understand where there was logic in the way it's been written in the UK (and perhaps also interpreted in the US). 0: http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Definitions/1400008450549/1400008450549 http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Definitions/14000084505...

rmc 11y ago

The important section is "without the consent". If the victim consents to sex with someone who is X, Y or Z, and you tell them you are that and you're not, then that can count as rape.

mattlutze 11y ago
This was down-voted somewhere but it's actually factual for at least the UK.