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Activist tricked into 6-year relationship with undercover cop tells her story
- dang 11y agoUrl changed from http://boingboing.net/2015/11/22/activist-tricked-into-6-year-r.html http://boingboing.net/2015/11/22/activist-tricked-into-6-yea..., which points to this.
- unabridged 11y agoAll of this just to infiltrate environmental protesters, and this is just the UK. I can't even imagine what the US government does with more serious threats.
- rvense 11y agoThere's no reason to assume the US are worse than the UK.
- Synaesthesia 11y agoActivist groups were heavily infiltrated throughout the 60's and 70's by US police, there's every reason to believe they still are.
- rvense 11y agoThat much is obvious, I'm just saying that there's no absolutely no reason to believe that the Brits are or ever were any better. The comment I replied to seemed to suggest that if the Brits are doing this, then just imagine what the Americans are doing, because it must be worse. The Germans, too, have used similar tactics recently against environmental groups.
- jacobush 11y agoJust the UK?
- ghubbard 11y agoThe FBI does the same sort of thing: https://theintercept.com/2015/11/19/an-fbi-informant-seduced-eric-mcdavid-into-a-bomb-plot-then-the-government-lied-about-it/ https://theintercept.com/2015/11/19/an-fbi-informant-seduced...
- DanBC 11y agoA small number of environmental and animal rights groups are labeled "terrorist" by the US gov, so infiltration and human rights abuses are probably happening. UK Special Branch have said (in the 1980s) that they want an informant on every street. Duncan Campbell (who released information about eg ECHELON 30 years ago) has a great book about pervasive UK surveillance.
- lotharbot 11y agoA small number of environmental and animal rights groups have stated goals or methods that might be considered "terrorist" -- a willingness to destroy property and harm peoples' livelihoods, to intimidate people into changing their behavior, or even to directly harm those involved in actions they view as detrimental to the environment/animals. It does not surprise me that law enforcement would want to keep tabs on the more extreme elements of the environmental movement, any more than that they'd want to keep tabs on the more extreme elements of any other political or religious movement. (Unfortunately, it can be hard to filter the truly extreme from the loudmouthed-but-harmless, and there has probably been a lot of wasted effort over the years in infiltrating groups and surveilling individuals who weren't at all dangerous.)
- junto 11y agoThe environmental and animal rights groups in the UK became a major target of the Security Services and Special Branch after the Good Friday Agreement. Essentially you had lots of surveillance teams and analysts who had nothing more to do, because the Irish terrorist threat had pretty much evaporated over night. They kept watching the Russians and some internal SOCA type targets (organised crime), but mostly there were lots of people twiddling their thumbs. Alongside this, the animal rights campaigners had done things that were vaguely "terroristic" in nature. Since the target of the animal rights campaigners were often the elite who hunted foxes, the hunt group lobbied to make sure these groups got Special Branch's attention. Special Branch like paid overtime, hence they got someone new to focus on. The hunt campaigners won however and hunting with hounds got banned. Though it must be pointed out that a large number of the public in general favoured the ban by 2004: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_Act_2004#Public_opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_Act_2004#Public_opinio... Now nearly everyone is working on the Islamic desks. Some Russian stuff still and maybe 1% on the Irish to keep an eye on them, but the large Irish informant network will have been left to rot. As a side note, the Security Services have traditionally had difficulties building informant networks inside the Islamic targets (inside the UK). The Irish responded well to payment in cash and drugs and "look the other way whilst we continue our Mafia-like activities", since for the most part, they were a well armed and well funded crime syndicate with a religious hard-core. Islamic fundamentalists haven't responded so well to offers of cash for information. Also in terms of putting officers inside these groups, the UK has a very small minority of officers that could actually blend in undercover, although the trend is increasing. Total minority ethnic police officers made up 5.5% of all officers on 31 March 2015. There were 6,715 Minority Ethnic police officers in the 43 police forces on 31 March 2014. This represents 5.2 per cent of the police officer total. Only a handful of officers become Special Branch officers and they are hand picked (I believe unofficially). The chances of a having a Muslim minority Special Branch officer, prepared to spy of other Muslims is therefore rather slight. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2015/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2015 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-workforce-...
- nefitty 11y agoI doubt that the threats even need to be that serious. There is an anarchist organization called Crimethinc that smells a lot like a disinformation campaign to derail young liberal-leaning people. They propose unemployment, crime, hitchhiking, etrc as viable alternatives to the mainstream lifestyle. The thing they don't mention is that the deeper a person gets into that lifestyle the farther away the person gets from the opportunity to have a greater social influence. It just seems conspicuously ironic that some on the far left are self-selecting themselves out of active engagement in society. I may be reaching, but it seems that any government propaganda agency run by sufficiently intelligent and well funded people would inevitably stumble upon the idea of creating an entire disinformation campaign dressed as radical criticism.
- padraic7a 11y agoWell it's on the record that they also get into sexual relationships with people and then convince them to blow things up. And that's for relatively minor terrorism' that they sponsor. See ref role of "Anna" here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_McDavid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_McDavid
- confluence 11y agoWestern intelligence seems to have a hard on for investigating pointless leads for years. Maybe focus on actual threats? But that's just me.
- Canada 11y agoWhat, and miss out on all that weed and free love?
- Synaesthesia 11y ago"and all this time I've been smoking harmless tobacco he he he" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL25r7QxFMU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL25r7QxFMU
- erdojo 11y agoState-sponsored rape. Both the officer and the head of the program should go to jail for this.
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- DaWeasel 11y agoHow is that rape ?
- evincarofautumn 11y agoI don’t agree with this reasoning, but you could argue that she consented to a relationship with Mark Stone, and not Mark Kennedy.
- J-dawg 11y agoIf the Gayle Newland case [1] is rape, then the Mark Stone / Mark Kennedy case should be too. I don't know whether either should be considered as rape, I'm just amazed how inconsistent the law can be. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34901925 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34901925
- DaWeasel 11y agoWhat about witness protection then ? I lie about my identity so me having sex with anybody is a rape ? Even if they agreed to have sex with me after they've learn to know me ?
- YeGoblynQueenne 11y agoThe man she was having sex with was not the man she consented to have sex with.
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- anon6_ 11y agoThis happens the other way around all the time. LEA use females as honeytraps all the time. http://www.foodnotbombs.net/elle_anna.pdf http://www.foodnotbombs.net/elle_anna.pdf Very interesting read.
- q-base 11y agoHe either got a little to good at his assignment which then lead the department to keep him going longer than originally planned or there is a lot more of this going on than we can ever imagine, if they spend so much effort on such low-risk activities as environmental activism - probably a combination of both.
- DanBC 11y agoThis case is part of a larger set of cases where very similar things happened to a bunch of women. (Long term relationships with men who were undercover police and who had been provided false identities, sometimes using the dead-child's name technique). Nothing justifies this level of abuse, but it's important to remember that "they" will say a small number of environmental and animal rights activists are extremists who use "violence" (against property, with strict rules about no violence against people). "They" will give the examples of incendiary devices in department stores that sell fur coats or anti fox hunt activists digging up a corpse, and say those were the drivers of this style of surveillance. They might forget to mention the police involvement in the incendiary devices activity. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/13/police-spies-animal-rights http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/13/police-spies-anima... http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/13/police http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/13/police
- jacquesm 11y agoWhat value would you put on the next 6 years of your life? Keep in mind those are not just any set of 6 years, those are likely your best years. What value would not having children of your own have if you were a woman of childbearing age when the relationship started and that time had passed by the time your fake relationship fell apart and a new one had gotten underway after a long time of dealing with trust issues? I hope she takes the government to the cleaners for an extremely large sum of money. Millions of pounds at a minimum.
- yummyfajitas 11y agoSimilarly, if a woman pretends not to be a gold digger, lies to a man for 6 years and ruins his life, maybe she should also owe him compensation? Perhaps she convinced him to get a vasectomy under false pretenses to avoid the existence of other heirs, if you feel childbearing ability is the crucial factor. It's the same act, just for a worse motive (grabbing his wealth rather than stopping terrorists). Yet few would suggest the law should get involved.
- jacquesm 11y agoI got the impression from the article that this person was doing this because they were part of a government operation, and not because they took a fancy to the victim for any other reason. If you see any 'golddiggers' (male or female) doing such a thing under a false identity with the express goal of getting close to this person at the orders of their superior then yes, that too should be a crime. But somehow I think that's not what you had in mind.
- rmc 11y agoYes, he was doing it as part of his job as a police officer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kennedy_%28police_officer%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kennedy_%28police_officer...
- yummyfajitas 11y agoSo doing it on your own rather than under orders is fine? If mark stone just wanted a shag and kept things from his superiors then this would be OK?
- royroyroys 11y agoWoman pretending to be a man in a 2 year relationship gets 8 years in jail. Wonder if the cop will get 24 years in jail? http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland...
- beeboop 11y agoGod damn that's some terrible reporting. Never mentions what law she broke. Why is pretending to be a man illegal? Is it because the victim consented to sex under false pretenses? What if a woman only has sex with me because she thinks I'm rich in when I'm not, is that illegal? edit: I looked around a bit, apparently wherever this happened has "Sexual Assault by Fraud" laws. Apparently the only law that exists of this type in the US is pretending to be someone's spouse and having sex with them (written in the 1800s but updated in California a few years ago): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception#United_State... Though there have been attempts to make it illegal in the US to lie about pretty much anything in order to get consent for sex: http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/11/rape_by_fraud_nj_lawmaker_introduces_bill_to_make_it_a_crime.html http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/11/rape_by_fraud_n... How far will this go? What if I lie about loving someone to get them consent, will whether I actually loved them suddenly be decided by a jury of my peers? We're going to see a lot of jail sentences being given to people (let's be honest - men) who lied about being single.
- DanBC 11y ago> Never mentions what law she broke. > > But the jury convicted the marketing manager of three counts of sexual assault at the complainant’s flat in Chester. This is a serious criminal offence, as serious as rape. It's in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 (which, incidentally, covers David Cameron's alleged (totally not true) pig fucking - live animal is criminal, dead human is criminal, dead animal = not criminal) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/contents http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/contents Sexual Assault by penetration: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/assault/section/2 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crosshead... Sexual Assault: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/assault/section/3 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crosshead... This person did not get consent and could not reasonably believe that consent was given. (According to the court.)
- trhway 11y agoinfiltrating environmental protesters, wow, what a way to put your live on a line everyday... Always a lot of money, chicks digging you - that is one dangerous life and attending Glastonbury festival - man, that was close! Leave some schmucks do the ISIS ... >According to The Guardian,[10] Kennedy sued the police for ruining his life and failing to "protect" him from falling in love with one of the environmental activists whose movement he infiltrated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kennedy_%28police_officer%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kennedy_%28police_officer...) no kidding. Now taxpayers are to pay him for all the pleasure he tortured himself with. "The things i'm gonna do for my Country" (NSFW - detailed picture of the dangers of an undercover agent's job. Very different from our office jobs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RqO3XCOr8nk#t=43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Rq... )
- openfuture 11y agoThis is the sort of thing that changes peaceful protesters into enemies of the state.