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Everywhere I can find is calling the new dual-GPU card Nvidia's "flagship", though. Call it a "niche card" as much as you like, but you're moving the goalposts

by girvo 11y ago

Everywhere I can find is calling the new dual-GPU card Nvidia's "flagship", though. Call it a "niche card" as much as you like, but you're moving the goalposts here.

dogma1138 11y ago
Their previous Dual GPU card was priced at 3000$ this isn't a consumer card, that's double the launch price of the 295x2 which was priced at 1400$ and received a 40% price cut within 3 months (considering that it was pretty much unavailable on the market until July/Aug where it already has been cut to below Titan Black prices you can say it's actual launch price was ~950$). The normal GTX Titan cards which launch at 1000$ can barely be considered a consumer flagship cards, the Titan X was the "1st" one which was some what financially successful because like with the Titan Black they've dropped the "workstation/professional" features from the Core and released it as a premium Ti placeholder to appease early adopters until the yields are good enough that they do not have to cherry pick cores. As far as GPU market goes there are 2 "flagship" products that the market actually cares about the 350-400$ enthusiast card, and the 600-700$ "flagship", both of them however sell several orders of magnitude less than the entry level 200-250$ gaming cards like the 750/760/850/860 or the 270/370 and 280/380. If you still don't understand the difference then the 295x2 was released and positioned to be a competitive option against 700-900$ cards, just like the old NVIDIA 690 which was a 1000$ Dual GPU card. You need to understand that the 690 was supposed to be the "top" of the line card for Nvidia at the time, and technically in some aspects it's still the most powerful single board card they've released to date (it can even beat the TitanZ in some benchmarks). This was the card that Nvidia released as the definite gaming card, this was the card that Nvidia launched the "Geforce Exprience" on top of it, and this was the card that had more issues on launch since their FX series. The card actually lost in gaming benchmarks to Nvidia's own 680 SLI in pretty much every case, it lost to the 680 which was clocked higher in games that didn't support SLI well, it could not support all of the new Geforce graphical features due to SLI compatibility and worse it lost to the 7970CF in most benchmarks. That was pretty much the point where Nvidia it self said they will focus on single core performance and ensure that the primary numerical GTX series will be the one that will focus on real-world gaming performance, 2 years later the Titan series was released which is their "look at what we can do, now give us 3000$ please". It's not about moving goal posts, its about perception and actual market presence.

by girvo 11y ago

Everywhere I can find is calling the new dual-GPU card Nvidia's "flagship", though. Call it a "niche card" as much as you like, but you're moving the goalposts here.

dogma1138 11y ago

Their previous Dual GPU card was priced at 3000$ this isn't a consumer card, that's double the launch price of the 295x2 which was priced at 1400$ and received a 40% price cut within 3 months (considering that it was pretty much unavailable on the market until July/Aug where it already has been cut to below Titan Black prices you can say it's actual launch price was ~950$). The normal GTX Titan cards which launch at 1000$ can barely be considered a consumer flagship cards, the Titan X was the "1st" one which was some what financially successful because like with the Titan Black they've dropped the "workstation/professional" features from the Core and released it as a premium Ti placeholder to appease early adopters until the yields are good enough that they do not have to cherry pick cores. As far as GPU market goes there are 2 "flagship" products that the market actually cares about the 350-400$ enthusiast card, and the 600-700$ "flagship", both of them however sell several orders of magnitude less than the entry level 200-250$ gaming cards like the 750/760/850/860 or the 270/370 and 280/380. If you still don't understand the difference then the 295x2 was released and positioned to be a competitive option against 700-900$ cards, just like the old NVIDIA 690 which was a 1000$ Dual GPU card. You need to understand that the 690 was supposed to be the "top" of the line card for Nvidia at the time, and technically in some aspects it's still the most powerful single board card they've released to date (it can even beat the TitanZ in some benchmarks). This was the card that Nvidia released as the definite gaming card, this was the card that Nvidia launched the "Geforce Exprience" on top of it, and this was the card that had more issues on launch since their FX series. The card actually lost in gaming benchmarks to Nvidia's own 680 SLI in pretty much every case, it lost to the 680 which was clocked higher in games that didn't support SLI well, it could not support all of the new Geforce graphical features due to SLI compatibility and worse it lost to the 7970CF in most benchmarks. That was pretty much the point where Nvidia it self said they will focus on single core performance and ensure that the primary numerical GTX series will be the one that will focus on real-world gaming performance, 2 years later the Titan series was released which is their "look at what we can do, now give us 3000$ please". It's not about moving goal posts, its about perception and actual market presence.