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> Social security is not a good. Neither is health care - its a category. Allow me to quote myself, quoting you: "name a good or service". > Would you be will

by woodman 11y ago

> Social security is not a good. Neither is health care - its a category. Allow me to quote myself, quoting you: "name a good or service". > Would you be willing to stick to your parents health care choices? Do you mean the health care choices they are exercising now? Who do you think is racking up the most MRI hours, 20 year olds or 60 year olds? I'll put a finer point on it, both services are subsidized by the increasingly resentful youth.

yummyfajitas 11y ago
At 30, will you stick to health care invented when your parents were 30? Again - MRI is a service. Health care is a category.
- woodman 11y ago
  > At 30, will you stick to health care invented when your parents were 30? Why would I, why would they? The issue at hand is cost; they pay much less than I do to utilize the same services due to now legally mandated insurance. > Again - MRI is a service. Health care is a category. Again... the health care industry is comprised of both services and goods, the unequal consumption of which is what you challenged anybody to point to.
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    The question is whether you are richer than your parents at the same age. If you have more goods and services (including all those cool medical techs that didn't exist when they were 30), you are richer. I certainly am - in 1980 I'd probably be a cripple. In 2014, cheap airline fares + modern medicine fixed me up for a few thousand.
    - woodman 11y ago
      It sounds like you are projecting your own situation onto an entire generation, completely ignoring the statistics. You aren't richer for having available a resource that you don't need but you are still made to pay for. That is the situation for the vast majority of young people. It is a very screwed up situation where the least able are made to pay the greater part.
      - SamReidHughes 11y ago
        I note that you still haven't named a good or service that we consume less of.
        woodman 11y ago
        You've either somehow overlooked the two I initially named - one of which has been actively discussed, or you disagree and have decided to make a sarcastic remark instead of offering a counter argument.
        SamReidHughes 11y ago
        Social security is not a good or service, it's money. You can't consume money. Also, we consume more healthcare today. Also, sarcasm doesn't mean what you think it means. So no, you haven't named a good or service that we consume less of today.
        woodman 11y ago
        > Social security is not a good or service, it's money. I'd agree if it were a self funding program, but it isn't. Due to the ever increasing deficit, scarcity increases with consumption - the earlier generations are paying less and drawing more than later generations. > Also, we consume more healthcare today. That is news to me - and probobly the entire health insurance industry, how did you arrive at that conclusion? > Also, sarcasm doesn't mean what you think it means. I made my point, being aware of my point you stated the opposite in a ridiculing manner: that is the very definition of sarcasm. It doesn't need to be a sassy remark made with an eye-roll and accompanied by a laugh track to be sarcasm.
        SamReidHughes 11y ago
        > That is news to me - and probobly the entire health insurance industry, how did you arrive at that conclusion? Take any illness you might get and look at the outcome 40 years ago versus today. Look at the maintenance treatments people make for vision, dentistry, and orthodontics. > I made my point, being aware of my point you stated the opposite in a ridiculing manner: that is the very definition of sarcasm. That's not the definition of sarcasm.

by woodman 11y ago

yummyfajitas 11y ago

At 30, will you stick to health care invented when your parents were 30? Again - MRI is a service. Health care is a category.

woodman 11y ago
> At 30, will you stick to health care invented when your parents were 30? Why would I, why would they? The issue at hand is cost; they pay much less than I do to utilize the same services due to now legally mandated insurance. > Again - MRI is a service. Health care is a category. Again... the health care industry is comprised of both services and goods, the unequal consumption of which is what you challenged anybody to point to.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  The question is whether you are richer than your parents at the same age. If you have more goods and services (including all those cool medical techs that didn't exist when they were 30), you are richer. I certainly am - in 1980 I'd probably be a cripple. In 2014, cheap airline fares + modern medicine fixed me up for a few thousand.
  - woodman 11y ago
    It sounds like you are projecting your own situation onto an entire generation, completely ignoring the statistics. You aren't richer for having available a resource that you don't need but you are still made to pay for. That is the situation for the vast majority of young people. It is a very screwed up situation where the least able are made to pay the greater part.
    - SamReidHughes 11y ago
      I note that you still haven't named a good or service that we consume less of.
      - woodman 11y ago
        You've either somehow overlooked the two I initially named - one of which has been actively discussed, or you disagree and have decided to make a sarcastic remark instead of offering a counter argument.
        SamReidHughes 11y ago
        Social security is not a good or service, it's money. You can't consume money. Also, we consume more healthcare today. Also, sarcasm doesn't mean what you think it means. So no, you haven't named a good or service that we consume less of today.
        woodman 11y ago
        > Social security is not a good or service, it's money. I'd agree if it were a self funding program, but it isn't. Due to the ever increasing deficit, scarcity increases with consumption - the earlier generations are paying less and drawing more than later generations. > Also, we consume more healthcare today. That is news to me - and probobly the entire health insurance industry, how did you arrive at that conclusion? > Also, sarcasm doesn't mean what you think it means. I made my point, being aware of my point you stated the opposite in a ridiculing manner: that is the very definition of sarcasm. It doesn't need to be a sassy remark made with an eye-roll and accompanied by a laugh track to be sarcasm.
        SamReidHughes 11y ago
        > That is news to me - and probobly the entire health insurance industry, how did you arrive at that conclusion? Take any illness you might get and look at the outcome 40 years ago versus today. Look at the maintenance treatments people make for vision, dentistry, and orthodontics. > I made my point, being aware of my point you stated the opposite in a ridiculing manner: that is the very definition of sarcasm. That's not the definition of sarcasm.