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With all due respect, nothing except our own opinions are "obvious" at this time.

acqq 11y ago
See other comments here, the plane was obviously only some seconds over Turkey and therefore already flying out of territory. It's an ambush-kind of attack. But Turkey can surely still claim it protected its territory.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > See other comments here, the plane was obviously only some seconds over Turkey and therefore already flying out of territory. This was not an isolated incident, many incursions have occurred since Russia started its operations in Syria, and Turkey has warned, repeatedly, that if aerial incursions continued, it would result in planes being shot down. It seems to me Russia has been deliberately sending a message by the continued incursions, and that Turkey has responded to that message in exactly the way it said it would (and the only way possible other than accept that it will become a vassal of Russia.)
  - acqq 11y ago
    "the only way possible other than accept that it will become a vassal of Russia." So a few seconds of a flight by a plane from a country supposedly on the same side against the ISIS, over the few km of the territory, is equal to becoming a vassal of a said country. So the only way possible is shooting the plane. Thanks for explaining your view.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > So a few seconds of a flight by a plane from a country supposedly on the same side against the ISIS, over the few km of the territory, is equal to becoming a vassal of a said country. No, the "few seconds" and the relationship to Daesh are irrelevant. The continued incursions into sovereign territory by a country which has engaged in such incursions without permission and been publicly threatened with force if it does not cease means that. (Anyway, Russia is attacking opponents of the Assad regime, not just Daesh, including non-Daesh forces which are supported by Turkey. That the set of entities Turkey opposes in Syria and the set Russia opposes overlap because both include Daesh does not mean that they are on the same side.)

acqq 11y ago

See other comments here, the plane was obviously only some seconds over Turkey and therefore already flying out of territory. It's an ambush-kind of attack. But Turkey can surely still claim it protected its territory.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> See other comments here, the plane was obviously only some seconds over Turkey and therefore already flying out of territory. This was not an isolated incident, many incursions have occurred since Russia started its operations in Syria, and Turkey has warned, repeatedly, that if aerial incursions continued, it would result in planes being shot down. It seems to me Russia has been deliberately sending a message by the continued incursions, and that Turkey has responded to that message in exactly the way it said it would (and the only way possible other than accept that it will become a vassal of Russia.)
- acqq 11y ago
  "the only way possible other than accept that it will become a vassal of Russia." So a few seconds of a flight by a plane from a country supposedly on the same side against the ISIS, over the few km of the territory, is equal to becoming a vassal of a said country. So the only way possible is shooting the plane. Thanks for explaining your view.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > So a few seconds of a flight by a plane from a country supposedly on the same side against the ISIS, over the few km of the territory, is equal to becoming a vassal of a said country. No, the "few seconds" and the relationship to Daesh are irrelevant. The continued incursions into sovereign territory by a country which has engaged in such incursions without permission and been publicly threatened with force if it does not cease means that. (Anyway, Russia is attacking opponents of the Assad regime, not just Daesh, including non-Daesh forces which are supported by Turkey. That the set of entities Turkey opposes in Syria and the set Russia opposes overlap because both include Daesh does not mean that they are on the same side.)