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If one let it count there still is the R9 295X2, which beats the GTX 980 Ti. Edit: Source http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1437?vs=1496 http://anandtech.com/

by onli 11y ago

If one let it count there still is the R9 295X2, which beats the GTX 980 Ti. Edit: Source http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1437?vs=1496 http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1437?vs=1496, because this got downvoted (??)

dogma1138 11y ago
295x2 is a dual GPU card that requires a nuclear reactor to power. It will beat the 980ti in games that will gain 50% when using 2-way crossfire. Considering the usually disadvantages of using crossfire/SLI it's really not worth it.
- onli 11y ago
  Yeah I know, the card uses a lot of energy, and the potential crossfire issues are not nice. Still, it is an answer to the 980 Ti (or rather, the 980 Ti was an answer to the 295X2).
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    980ti wasn't an answer to 295x2, more like the nail in the coffin, it came out couple of weeks before the Fury at a lower price and at about 1000 times more availability and just pulled the rug under AMD's feet. NVIDIA was smart enough not to get into the fight with dual GPU cards it's a loose loose situation.
    - girvo 11y ago
      > NVIDIA was smart enough not to get into the fight with dual GPU cards it's a loose loose situation Uhhh... well, look, I don't know much about video cards these days, but that's not quite true: http://www.t3.com/news/nvidia-is-about-to-launch-a-new-monster-dual-gpu-graphics-card http://www.t3.com/news/nvidia-is-about-to-launch-a-new-monst...
      - dogma1138 11y ago
        It is quite very true, that dual GPU card if it ever comes out will be a replacement for the TitanZ a niche card not a flag ship. NVIDIA leaned not to repeat that misstake from the 690 which was and be all accounts would be the last time they release a flagship consumer GTX line dual GPU card. When you have a flagship card that can lose in benchmarks to cards 1/4th it's price because SLI/Xfire fails, and when you can't enable all the bells and whistles like Adaptive VSync (GSync/ASync), Temporal AA, DSR, and any other new "tech" that you boast about for 6 months before release because of SLI/Xfire you are going to fail and fail badly. AMD had to release the X2 cards because they could not compete against the GTX780/780ti and the 980 was around the corner, by the time the 295x2 actually was available in the market at any decent amounts the 980 was already out, and while the 295x2 beat it in certain cases it was too little too late, especially considering that the 295x2 couldn't fit in many cases (same issue that the 690 had) needed a 350$ power supply to run which most people don't have (same as the 690), and produced enough hit to start fusion (not that far from the 690). So no NVIDIA isn't fighting in the dual GPU arena anymore, they aren't releasing flagships, and they are smart enough to wait for the very end of their refresh cycle to release a "look how much money I got to spend on the latest Titan" card that will never be produced in any large amounts, will not be needed to beat the competition as far as single card performance goes.
        girvo 11y ago
        Everywhere I can find is calling the new dual-GPU card Nvidia's "flagship", though. Call it a "niche card" as much as you like, but you're moving the goalposts here.
        dogma1138 11y ago
        Their previous Dual GPU card was priced at 3000$ this isn't a consumer card, that's double the launch price of the 295x2 which was priced at 1400$ and received a 40% price cut within 3 months (considering that it was pretty much unavailable on the market until July/Aug where it already has been cut to below Titan Black prices you can say it's actual launch price was ~950$). The normal GTX Titan cards which launch at 1000$ can barely be considered a consumer flagship cards, the Titan X was the "1st" one which was some what financially successful because like with the Titan Black they've dropped the "workstation/professional" features from the Core and released it as a premium Ti placeholder to appease early adopters until the yields are good enough that they do not have to cherry pick cores. As far as GPU market goes there are 2 "flagship" products that the market actually cares about the 350-400$ enthusiast card, and the 600-700$ "flagship", both of them however sell several orders of magnitude less than the entry level 200-250$ gaming cards like the 750/760/850/860 or the 270/370 and 280/380. If you still don't understand the difference then the 295x2 was released and positioned to be a competitive option against 700-900$ cards, just like the old NVIDIA 690 which was a 1000$ Dual GPU card. You need to understand that the 690 was supposed to be the "top" of the line card for Nvidia at the time, and technically in some aspects it's still the most powerful single board card they've released to date (it can even beat the TitanZ in some benchmarks). This was the card that Nvidia released as the definite gaming card, this was the card that Nvidia launched the "Geforce Exprience" on top of it, and this was the card that had more issues on launch since their FX series. The card actually lost in gaming benchmarks to Nvidia's own 680 SLI in pretty much every case, it lost to the 680 which was clocked higher in games that didn't support SLI well, it could not support all of the new Geforce graphical features due to SLI compatibility and worse it lost to the 7970CF in most benchmarks. That was pretty much the point where Nvidia it self said they will focus on single core performance and ensure that the primary numerical GTX series will be the one that will focus on real-world gaming performance, 2 years later the Titan series was released which is their "look at what we can do, now give us 3000$ please". It's not about moving goal posts, its about perception and actual market presence.
    - onli 11y ago
      You are right, the 980 Ti was probably more of an answer to the expected potential of the Fury, it had a great timing. But lower price? I can get a R9 Fury X for 635€, a R9 Fury for 564€. The GTX 980 Ti starts at 718€. Maybe the 980 Ti was cheaper in some markets at the very beginning.
      - dogma1138 11y ago
        The TI was cheaper than the FuryX before the price cut, and the 980 was cheaper than the normal Fury again before the price cut.

by onli 11y ago

dogma1138 11y ago

295x2 is a dual GPU card that requires a nuclear reactor to power. It will beat the 980ti in games that will gain 50% when using 2-way crossfire. Considering the usually disadvantages of using crossfire/SLI it's really not worth it.

onli 11y ago
Yeah I know, the card uses a lot of energy, and the potential crossfire issues are not nice. Still, it is an answer to the 980 Ti (or rather, the 980 Ti was an answer to the 295X2).
- dogma1138 11y ago
  980ti wasn't an answer to 295x2, more like the nail in the coffin, it came out couple of weeks before the Fury at a lower price and at about 1000 times more availability and just pulled the rug under AMD's feet. NVIDIA was smart enough not to get into the fight with dual GPU cards it's a loose loose situation.
  - girvo 11y ago
    > NVIDIA was smart enough not to get into the fight with dual GPU cards it's a loose loose situation Uhhh... well, look, I don't know much about video cards these days, but that's not quite true: http://www.t3.com/news/nvidia-is-about-to-launch-a-new-monster-dual-gpu-graphics-card http://www.t3.com/news/nvidia-is-about-to-launch-a-new-monst...
    - dogma1138 11y ago
      It is quite very true, that dual GPU card if it ever comes out will be a replacement for the TitanZ a niche card not a flag ship. NVIDIA leaned not to repeat that misstake from the 690 which was and be all accounts would be the last time they release a flagship consumer GTX line dual GPU card. When you have a flagship card that can lose in benchmarks to cards 1/4th it's price because SLI/Xfire fails, and when you can't enable all the bells and whistles like Adaptive VSync (GSync/ASync), Temporal AA, DSR, and any other new "tech" that you boast about for 6 months before release because of SLI/Xfire you are going to fail and fail badly. AMD had to release the X2 cards because they could not compete against the GTX780/780ti and the 980 was around the corner, by the time the 295x2 actually was available in the market at any decent amounts the 980 was already out, and while the 295x2 beat it in certain cases it was too little too late, especially considering that the 295x2 couldn't fit in many cases (same issue that the 690 had) needed a 350$ power supply to run which most people don't have (same as the 690), and produced enough hit to start fusion (not that far from the 690). So no NVIDIA isn't fighting in the dual GPU arena anymore, they aren't releasing flagships, and they are smart enough to wait for the very end of their refresh cycle to release a "look how much money I got to spend on the latest Titan" card that will never be produced in any large amounts, will not be needed to beat the competition as far as single card performance goes.
      - girvo 11y ago
        Everywhere I can find is calling the new dual-GPU card Nvidia's "flagship", though. Call it a "niche card" as much as you like, but you're moving the goalposts here.
        dogma1138 11y ago
        Their previous Dual GPU card was priced at 3000$ this isn't a consumer card, that's double the launch price of the 295x2 which was priced at 1400$ and received a 40% price cut within 3 months (considering that it was pretty much unavailable on the market until July/Aug where it already has been cut to below Titan Black prices you can say it's actual launch price was ~950$). The normal GTX Titan cards which launch at 1000$ can barely be considered a consumer flagship cards, the Titan X was the "1st" one which was some what financially successful because like with the Titan Black they've dropped the "workstation/professional" features from the Core and released it as a premium Ti placeholder to appease early adopters until the yields are good enough that they do not have to cherry pick cores. As far as GPU market goes there are 2 "flagship" products that the market actually cares about the 350-400$ enthusiast card, and the 600-700$ "flagship", both of them however sell several orders of magnitude less than the entry level 200-250$ gaming cards like the 750/760/850/860 or the 270/370 and 280/380. If you still don't understand the difference then the 295x2 was released and positioned to be a competitive option against 700-900$ cards, just like the old NVIDIA 690 which was a 1000$ Dual GPU card. You need to understand that the 690 was supposed to be the "top" of the line card for Nvidia at the time, and technically in some aspects it's still the most powerful single board card they've released to date (it can even beat the TitanZ in some benchmarks). This was the card that Nvidia released as the definite gaming card, this was the card that Nvidia launched the "Geforce Exprience" on top of it, and this was the card that had more issues on launch since their FX series. The card actually lost in gaming benchmarks to Nvidia's own 680 SLI in pretty much every case, it lost to the 680 which was clocked higher in games that didn't support SLI well, it could not support all of the new Geforce graphical features due to SLI compatibility and worse it lost to the 7970CF in most benchmarks. That was pretty much the point where Nvidia it self said they will focus on single core performance and ensure that the primary numerical GTX series will be the one that will focus on real-world gaming performance, 2 years later the Titan series was released which is their "look at what we can do, now give us 3000$ please". It's not about moving goal posts, its about perception and actual market presence.
  - onli 11y ago
    You are right, the 980 Ti was probably more of an answer to the expected potential of the Fury, it had a great timing. But lower price? I can get a R9 Fury X for 635€, a R9 Fury for 564€. The GTX 980 Ti starts at 718€. Maybe the 980 Ti was cheaper in some markets at the very beginning.
    - dogma1138 11y ago
      The TI was cheaper than the FuryX before the price cut, and the 980 was cheaper than the normal Fury again before the price cut.