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I disagree with the premise of this article. I don't care if the sun is out when I have to wake up or not. I dislike doing something incredibly dramatic like ch

I disagree with the premise of this article. I don't care if the sun is out when I have to wake up or not. I dislike doing something incredibly dramatic like changing what time it is and having to force myself into a different rythm because some people might or might not be happy that now there might or might not be more sun in the evening.

grecy 11y ago
>I don't care if the sun is out when I have to wake up or not. This isn't about what you - or for that matter millions of people - do or don't want to do. After all, if we only did what we wanted to do, none of us would pay tax. This is about reducing energy consumption by attempting to have people sleep when the sun is down, and be awake when the sun is up.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  > This is about reducing energy consumption by attempting to have people sleep when the sun is down, and be awake when the sun is up. That is very much debatable: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-daylight-saving-times-save-energy/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-daylight-savi... http://www.nber.org/papers/w14429 http://www.nber.org/papers/w14429
- echaozh 11y ago
  Even if energy can be saved... why not make the companies set different office hours at different times of the year, rather than make people reset their watches? If companies' office hours are not to be messed with, why are the people's lives? I really cannot understand the logic behind this. People should be free to choose if they want to sleep more when the sun is down, right? And with Capitalism, you should tune the price of energy consumption to make people save more, instead of making strange laws.
  - kspaans 11y ago
    Power meters that record the time when energy is used rather than the "dumb" ones that just record total usage are still relatively new.
  - grecy 11y ago
    >If companies' office hours are not to be messed with, why are the people's lives? Daylight savings isn't messing with anyone's life, it's changing the arbitrary read-out on a human-invented device, nothing more. >People should be free to choose if they want to sleep more when the sun is down, right? Of course, anyone can sleep as much or as little as they please. There might be school and employment consequences to that, but you can still do it. You can also drive a car as fast as you please - but there might also be consequences to that.
    - rtpg 11y ago
      >Daylight savings isn't messing with anyone's life, it's changing the arbitrary read-out on a human-invented device, nothing more. a human-invented device that affects when you're supposed to show up at your desk if you have a "normal" job (9-5)...
    - hueving 11y ago
      That argument holds no water. Changing a readout on many human invented devices will drastically impact people's lives (bank account balances, work schedules, directions to the hospital, etc).
    - ryandrake 11y ago
      > Daylight savings isn't messing with anyone's life, it's changing the arbitrary read-out on a human-invented device, nothing more. If you work or have kids in school, you need to adjust your sleep pattern to match the readout on that human-invented device. Look at small children and retirees: DST does not affect them because they wake up whenever they want to. Seems to me that the root problem is that businesses and schools demand people arrive at work the same time regardless of sunlight conditions. It's stupid that billions of people change their measuring devices twice a year instead of just having businesses pick "summer hours" and "winter hours".
      - yen223 11y ago
        Amen. DST feels a lot like trying to combat obesity by changing the kilogram, so that everyone weighs the same. It doesn't affect people's actual weights, just like how DST doesn't affect the amount of daylight we receive.
- Kiro 11y ago
  Still, the author makes it sound like this would some kind of crazy thing when it's the reality for a lot of people in the world.

grecy 11y ago

>I don't care if the sun is out when I have to wake up or not. This isn't about what you - or for that matter millions of people - do or don't want to do. After all, if we only did what we wanted to do, none of us would pay tax. This is about reducing energy consumption by attempting to have people sleep when the sun is down, and be awake when the sun is up.

jacquesm 11y ago
> This is about reducing energy consumption by attempting to have people sleep when the sun is down, and be awake when the sun is up. That is very much debatable: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-daylight-saving-times-save-energy/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-daylight-savi... http://www.nber.org/papers/w14429 http://www.nber.org/papers/w14429
echaozh 11y ago
Even if energy can be saved... why not make the companies set different office hours at different times of the year, rather than make people reset their watches? If companies' office hours are not to be messed with, why are the people's lives? I really cannot understand the logic behind this. People should be free to choose if they want to sleep more when the sun is down, right? And with Capitalism, you should tune the price of energy consumption to make people save more, instead of making strange laws.
- kspaans 11y ago
  Power meters that record the time when energy is used rather than the "dumb" ones that just record total usage are still relatively new.
- grecy 11y ago
  >If companies' office hours are not to be messed with, why are the people's lives? Daylight savings isn't messing with anyone's life, it's changing the arbitrary read-out on a human-invented device, nothing more. >People should be free to choose if they want to sleep more when the sun is down, right? Of course, anyone can sleep as much or as little as they please. There might be school and employment consequences to that, but you can still do it. You can also drive a car as fast as you please - but there might also be consequences to that.
  - rtpg 11y ago
    >Daylight savings isn't messing with anyone's life, it's changing the arbitrary read-out on a human-invented device, nothing more. a human-invented device that affects when you're supposed to show up at your desk if you have a "normal" job (9-5)...
  - hueving 11y ago
    That argument holds no water. Changing a readout on many human invented devices will drastically impact people's lives (bank account balances, work schedules, directions to the hospital, etc).
  - ryandrake 11y ago
    > Daylight savings isn't messing with anyone's life, it's changing the arbitrary read-out on a human-invented device, nothing more. If you work or have kids in school, you need to adjust your sleep pattern to match the readout on that human-invented device. Look at small children and retirees: DST does not affect them because they wake up whenever they want to. Seems to me that the root problem is that businesses and schools demand people arrive at work the same time regardless of sunlight conditions. It's stupid that billions of people change their measuring devices twice a year instead of just having businesses pick "summer hours" and "winter hours".
    - yen223 11y ago
      Amen. DST feels a lot like trying to combat obesity by changing the kilogram, so that everyone weighs the same. It doesn't affect people's actual weights, just like how DST doesn't affect the amount of daylight we receive.
Kiro 11y ago
Still, the author makes it sound like this would some kind of crazy thing when it's the reality for a lot of people in the world.