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I worked with Alex for about a year and they landed a brilliant developer, so good job to them. If caring about inclusivity is "cheap bullying", it's gonna be h

I worked with Alex for about a year and they landed a brilliant developer, so good job to them. If caring about inclusivity is "cheap bullying", it's gonna be hard to hire non-"bullies". As far as the gendered languages, I think that's a bad argument. If I was using a word (maybe a variable name or something) that was a swear word or offensive in another language and someone corrected me, I'd merge without issue.

anon6_ 11y ago
These stunts did nothing for inclusivity. They caused controversy and split people apart. This isn't the hacker way. Even females I know making tech weren't comfortable with this. Some found it patronizing, others dismissed it as sophistic. They all are worried that men in tech will consider females to be hypersensitive troublemakers. Frankly, these days I have more bias against women than I ever had before these stunts. If I hire a female, is she going to stir up a fuss over whatever's the latest blame politic trending on Twitter? That would put women at a disadvantage. I admire the idea of helping the weak. I disagree that this was the way to go about it. I reiterate that shaming and nitpicking can feel quite bullying - even to men.
- HappyTypist 11y ago
  Maybe as someone who represents 98.5% of the field, you should stop pretending to speak for the 1.5%. Have you ever thought that there may be selection bias in play regarding the "even females I know?" Notwithstanding that, what is your n that you're using to justify broad generalizations? Also, bear in mind that you are implying women are "the weak". That's enough for me to discredit anything you have to say on the matter, especially considering your post is completely off topic and is witch-hunting. If you're never subject to frequent microaggression (of which you've just made in your reply), it can be hard to understand how significant they really are.
  - anon6_ 11y ago
    > If you're never subject to frequent microaggression (of which you've just made in your reply), it can be hard to understand how significant they really are. Anybody can be mobbed or subjected to unfair circumstances in the workplace. While some take such critical offense to things on the micro level, there are thousands of men in the valley who sacrificed so much, tolerated unfair circumstances, and never opted to view themselves as the victim. They grew to be stronger people because of it. It may come as a surprise, the feelings you're experiencing don't represent what me and my colleagues are seeing.

anon6_ 11y ago

These stunts did nothing for inclusivity. They caused controversy and split people apart. This isn't the hacker way. Even females I know making tech weren't comfortable with this. Some found it patronizing, others dismissed it as sophistic. They all are worried that men in tech will consider females to be hypersensitive troublemakers. Frankly, these days I have more bias against women than I ever had before these stunts. If I hire a female, is she going to stir up a fuss over whatever's the latest blame politic trending on Twitter? That would put women at a disadvantage. I admire the idea of helping the weak. I disagree that this was the way to go about it. I reiterate that shaming and nitpicking can feel quite bullying - even to men.

HappyTypist 11y ago
Maybe as someone who represents 98.5% of the field, you should stop pretending to speak for the 1.5%. Have you ever thought that there may be selection bias in play regarding the "even females I know?" Notwithstanding that, what is your n that you're using to justify broad generalizations? Also, bear in mind that you are implying women are "the weak". That's enough for me to discredit anything you have to say on the matter, especially considering your post is completely off topic and is witch-hunting. If you're never subject to frequent microaggression (of which you've just made in your reply), it can be hard to understand how significant they really are.
- anon6_ 11y ago
  > If you're never subject to frequent microaggression (of which you've just made in your reply), it can be hard to understand how significant they really are. Anybody can be mobbed or subjected to unfair circumstances in the workplace. While some take such critical offense to things on the micro level, there are thousands of men in the valley who sacrificed so much, tolerated unfair circumstances, and never opted to view themselves as the victim. They grew to be stronger people because of it. It may come as a surprise, the feelings you're experiencing don't represent what me and my colleagues are seeing.