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Meanwhile, IRC continues to work exactly as well as it has for 20+ years.
by iamsohungry 11y ago
Meanwhile, IRC continues to work exactly as well as it has for 20+ years.
- nso95 11y agoIRC servers go down, too
- ossreality 11y agoYou're the third person I've seen make this remark. Are you trying to be annoying or are you really missing the point this extremely?
- nullrouted 11y agoThats why you have multiple hubs and multiple client servers....redundancy!
- thescriptkiddie 11y agoIRC is decentralized, so a few severs going down is no problem.
- msbarnett 11y agonetsplit isn't exactly what I'd call "no problem".
- nso95 11y agoI suspect most internal IRC nets just consist of a single server
- thescriptkiddie 11y agoThat's not exactly a point for slack, since internal slack nets don't exist. I call this "downtime as a service": you get all of the satisfaction an interrupted work day without any of the annoyance of being able to fix it yourself.
- msbarnett 11y agoThe flip side of that is with Slack, you have all the same problems as when your internal IRC server going down, but without the additional productivity loss of internal resources having to drop what they're doing to fix the damn thing.
- thescriptkiddie 11y agoI wasn't being 100% sarcastic. It's sometimes actually nice to use saas downtime as an excuse to take the day off without being the guy who has to fix it.
- iamsohungry 11y agosudo service ircd-irc2 restart I'm pretty sure SSH-ing into the server and executing that command costs less in productivity than waiting for Slack to fix their issues.
- mechazawa 11y agoA netsplit is just as annoying
- iamsohungry 11y agoYeah, I don't see a need to have more than one server. Even at gigantic companies, you only need single servers per team. It takes very little to restart a server: sudo service ircd-irc2 restart
- iamsohungry 11y agoMeh, I'd rather have one server, honestly. It takes two seconds to restart an IRC server.
- revelation 11y agoIf you run your own, hardly. If theres a netsplit, it just means you'll have to wait a second until you're connected again. But really, if you run your own IRC server in your own internal network, there will be no netsplits.
- madeofpalk 11y agoInstead, it goes down just like Slack.
- therein 11y agoBut you can just go ahead and restart them, and they don't cost $5+ per person per month.
- iamsohungry 11y agosudo service ircd-irc2 restart Fixed it.
- xena 11y agoIndeed. It is frustrating that my co-workers have gotten so pissy when I asked them to fall back to the internal IRC server because Slack was so flakey.
- mikeash 11y ago"Exactly as well" meaning going down fairly often?
- oliyoung 11y agoNot sure if this is sarcasm or not ;)
- iamsohungry 11y agoNot sarcasm. I'm entirely annoyed with the software industry's constant attempts to make money off problems that were solved by someone else decades ago. I'm pretty sure this recent instability won't make Slack go out of style. What will likely happen is Slack will continue releasing "features" that don't improve upon IRC and make their product harder to use, until someone else comes along with a simple IRC clone and unseats them just like Slack unseated HipChat. It's an exercise in pointlessness.
- nvk 11y agoSomeone asked me just a couple days ago, why don't use use Slack instead of IRC? This. IRC just works. It's not a walled garden.
- madeofpalk 11y agoWell IRC is able to go down just like Slack, especially if you're using a smaller/private network (I'm not going to run my organisation's 'Slack' on Freenode). Again, as these things are, the tech has nothing to do with it. Hipchat 'lost' to Slack while being more or less identical (from a raw features/technical point of view). Hell, Slack could be IRC for all I know, but what makes people use Slack is more than what protocol it uses underneath.
- iamsohungry 11y ago> Hell, Slack could be IRC for all I know, but what makes people use Slack is more than what protocol it uses underneath. Yeah, it's a combination of slavishly always having to be on the next new thing, and being unable to recognize that this is a problem.