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Again with this "there aren't as many women in computing/politics/NASCAR/mining industry as there should be" bullshit. I'll just paste previous comments because
by necessity 11y ago
Again with this "there aren't as many women in computing/politics/NASCAR/mining industry as there should be" bullshit. I'll just paste previous comments because it's always the same irrational shit people like to vomit to get an audience.
Why are there so few male manicures? Why so few male babysitters? Why so few female NASCAR drivers? Why so few female in the army? Why so few male in the wedding dress business?
We MUST to do something about this! People of a certain gender cannot prefer some activities over others!
This is ridiculous.
Relevant: https://youtu.be/ENL-Jv8GVkk#t=29m15s https://youtu.be/ENL-Jv8GVkk#t=29m15s
- TeMPOraL 11y agoI decided to ignore that angle in order to not start a gender shitstorm this time and detract from a lot of interesting points made in that talk, but I believe the author basically answers herself but doesn't even notice it: "Many of the most successful security experts never went to college, or even finished high school. A statistically disproportionate number of you are on the autism spectrum." She says there are more people on the autism spectrum in the hacker crowd than expected. Also (I believe is implied) college dropouts, apparently. And it's ok. So if there are more males in the field, why is it not ok? Shouldn't we be fighting against the autism-bias and dropout-bias? Surely neurotypical people and college graduates are underrepresented in tech, by the very definition of "being statistically underrepresented".
- kristofferR 11y agoYeah, that the patriachy keeps women from being properly socially inept is basically what the author is implying.
- tzs 11y agoBoys are approximately four times as likely as girls to be autistic. That would tend to make a group that is disproportionately male automatically be disproportionately autistic compared to the general population. I wonder if that was taken into account when determining that security experts are disproportionately autistic? Assuming that this is based on a proper base population for comparison, and so autistics are disproportionate among security experts when compared to their prevalence in a group drawn from the general population with the same gender statistics as security experts, then a possibility to consider is that whatever it is about males that makes them more likely to be autistic might also be something that makes males more likely to be interested in hacking. That would fit with Asperger's view that autism was at the extreme end of a spectrum of behaviors normally associated with "maleness".
- tptacek 11y agoI don't believe she has real numbers on whether security people, in particular, are neurotypical. I'm guessing she's invoking studies of technologists in general (which would make sense in the context of a talk).
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- gaius 11y agopeople of color and women are naturally inclined to be hackers She lost me there too, my ethnicity is NOTHING to do with my hackerness.
- whatok 11y agothank you for the video link. just bought his recent book
- dang 11y ago> I'll just paste previous comments No, please don't. On HN we try to optimize for signal/noise ratio. Pasted comments are noise. Ideological venting is also noise. Regardless of your views, if you're going to comment on a divisive issue (or any issue), please don't do it like this here.
- necessity 11y agoI don't want to discuss politics on HN, only technology. Unfortunately the topic seems all too popular. It's noise to me as my comments are for you.