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The worrisome thing here is that batman outfits and swords are used as proof of the "boy" identity and pink princess stuff as proof of the "girl" identity. This

by Uhhrrr 11y ago

The worrisome thing here is that batman outfits and swords are used as proof of the "boy" identity and pink princess stuff as proof of the "girl" identity. This is complete crap - gender roles are not dictated by which aisle of Toys 'R' Us you favor. I am willing to grant that the children profiled in the article aren't just in it for the toys, but the author is encouraging this perception, and I have seen more than a couple Bay Area parents buying into this, and rushing to call their kid gender-fluid as soon as they put on a dress.

empressplay 11y ago
And you're right; these are totally two separate things (cross-dressing, for example, is not much of an indicator as to whether someone is transgender or not.) Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want, but nobody should take what they wear as an indicator as to what gender they would be more comfortable as.
- danieltillett 11y ago
  >Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want I am none too keen seeing young girls wearing heavy make up. Children should be able to be children and not little adults.
  - gizmo686 11y ago
    What is inherently "adult" about makeup?
    - danieltillett 11y ago
      I am not talking about children playing with mum’s make up - I am talking about young girls being peer pressured into wearing heavy make up at an age they don’t need it. It is an arms race that no young kids need. On this topic I really hope men can continue to resist the cosmetics industry. I have zero desire to see it become the expected social norm like it has for women.
    - rabboRubble 11y ago
      Using it incorrectly can lead to skin conditions and eye infections. As such, it takes a degree of maturity to use it without sickening yourself.
rabboRubble 11y ago
I am a woman... I felt a level of jealousy in school because of the freedom boys had (ex. girls were made to stay indoors to learn where babies came from, whereas boys were sent out to play) but never wished for a "winky". I have also loathed pink from childhood and fashion crap. I see a little girl's room looking like a Peptobismal explosion and I want to take a flame thrower to it. And anything sparkly. And anything encrusted with fake gems. And anything cutsy really. I see these assemblages of abhorrent things being passed off as gender "girl" and it's very hard to separate my loathing for cutsy pink crap, and the transgirl wearing the cutsy pink crap. It may come off as transphobia, but I sort of hate non-trans women wearing crap like that too.

by Uhhrrr 11y ago

empressplay 11y ago

And you're right; these are totally two separate things (cross-dressing, for example, is not much of an indicator as to whether someone is transgender or not.) Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want, but nobody should take what they wear as an indicator as to what gender they would be more comfortable as.

danieltillett 11y ago
>Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want I am none too keen seeing young girls wearing heavy make up. Children should be able to be children and not little adults.
- gizmo686 11y ago
  What is inherently "adult" about makeup?
  - danieltillett 11y ago
    I am not talking about children playing with mum’s make up - I am talking about young girls being peer pressured into wearing heavy make up at an age they don’t need it. It is an arms race that no young kids need. On this topic I really hope men can continue to resist the cosmetics industry. I have zero desire to see it become the expected social norm like it has for women.
  - rabboRubble 11y ago
    Using it incorrectly can lead to skin conditions and eye infections. As such, it takes a degree of maturity to use it without sickening yourself.

rabboRubble 11y ago

I am a woman... I felt a level of jealousy in school because of the freedom boys had (ex. girls were made to stay indoors to learn where babies came from, whereas boys were sent out to play) but never wished for a "winky". I have also loathed pink from childhood and fashion crap. I see a little girl's room looking like a Peptobismal explosion and I want to take a flame thrower to it. And anything sparkly. And anything encrusted with fake gems. And anything cutsy really. I see these assemblages of abhorrent things being passed off as gender "girl" and it's very hard to separate my loathing for cutsy pink crap, and the transgirl wearing the cutsy pink crap. It may come off as transphobia, but I sort of hate non-trans women wearing crap like that too.