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Can we have some first sources, please?

30 points by timf 17y ago

JacobAldridge 17y ago
Maybe I'm reading between the lines too much, but this seems to be creating a problem by being overly-general. Certainly, if you discuss or analyse an article or document which is available online, link to it for the benefit of your audience (and the original author). (Exceptions like discussing a hate crimes page and not wanting to give it google-juice are fine, just let us know you're doing it.) But the OP seems to blur this with other sources not already available on the web (or, presumably for example, behind a paywall). Are you asking for these to be uploaded, which is potentially copyright infringement and at least may go against the original author's intent? If I review a book, do you need the primary source included?
- russell 17y ago
  Jacob, I think you are reading more into it than he said. As far as I can see, he said, if you find it online give a link to it. He didn't even go so far as to ask for a citation if it's not on line.
  - JacobAldridge 17y ago
    Good - just me then.
  - Locke1689 17y ago
    Who says that that piece by Nate Anderson was available online? Very often case law is only accessible by pay-for subscriptions.
    - streety 17y ago
      IANAL but I don't think that applies here. He links to what is essentially a spam submission in the first paragraph so it seems reasonable to expect the other submissions will also be available.
- mechanical_fish 17y ago
  Books which aren't available have publisher pages. Amazon pages. Something you can link to. My pet peeve is articles which are obviously inspired by journal articles but which don't even link to abstracts. Just about every journal article has a free abstract online. The important thing is to establish a chain of reference. Obviously, linking to a full-text original source is even better, but the chain of reference is incredibly valuable.
  - Nekojoe 17y ago
    With books you should mention the ISBN. Amazon can search the ISBN, as can every bookshop and library database. In fact Amazon use the ISBN as part of the url for books.

30 points by timf 17y ago

Maybe I'm reading between the lines too much, but this seems to be creating a problem by being overly-general. Certainly, if you discuss or analyse an article or document which is available online, link to it for the benefit of your audience (and the original author). (Exceptions like discussing a hate crimes page and not wanting to give it google-juice are fine, just let us know you're doing it.) But the OP seems to blur this with other sources not already available on the web (or, presumably for example, behind a paywall). Are you asking for these to be uploaded, which is potentially copyright infringement and at least may go against the original author's intent? If I review a book, do you need the primary source included?

russell 17y ago
Jacob, I think you are reading more into it than he said. As far as I can see, he said, if you find it online give a link to it. He didn't even go so far as to ask for a citation if it's not on line.
- JacobAldridge 17y ago
  Good - just me then.
- Locke1689 17y ago
  Who says that that piece by Nate Anderson was available online? Very often case law is only accessible by pay-for subscriptions.
  - streety 17y ago
    IANAL but I don't think that applies here. He links to what is essentially a spam submission in the first paragraph so it seems reasonable to expect the other submissions will also be available.
mechanical_fish 17y ago
Books which aren't available have publisher pages. Amazon pages. Something you can link to. My pet peeve is articles which are obviously inspired by journal articles but which don't even link to abstracts. Just about every journal article has a free abstract online. The important thing is to establish a chain of reference. Obviously, linking to a full-text original source is even better, but the chain of reference is incredibly valuable.
- Nekojoe 17y ago
  With books you should mention the ISBN. Amazon can search the ISBN, as can every bookshop and library database. In fact Amazon use the ISBN as part of the url for books.